mike37 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Hi Guys just heard that groomer drives now need first aid and whmis training to drive the groomers this year any other club hear this will loss more drivers for this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) I do not see this as a bad thing, hopefully the can do the whimis online course and maybe even do the one day first aid course(which will benefit the operator outside of the groomer job as well). I see it as a positive and sensible decisions by the ofsc. Edited October 21, 2019 by gobills Spelling 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This is nothing new for any club that has followed green book regulations. Just new that OFSC is pushing it. A good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Great idea for operators to have it. Imo i think its a good thing. .. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I think you can do the one day to keep current after taking the 2 day course. Not a bad thing to have, I know I like having the knowledge in my personal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfish Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 a chainsaw certificate is also required! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 All good things to have as a groomer operator. Miles from nowhere, one must be prepared for situations requiring medical attention, and be trained to operate the equipment at hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 First aid I wouldn't have a problem with. Always good to know, and help someone out of a bad situation who might not have otherwise, priceless. I have taken WHMIS before at work. I'm not sure I see how it's really required for a groomer operator. But am certainly open for your take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfish Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) I had never heard of WHMIS before this I had to look it up, to find out what it was! Seems like a no-brainer. Edited October 21, 2019 by Bigfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 do some groomers get paid or is it all volunteer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Years ago most operators were volunteers. Now cause of liability/ insurance reasons most if not all operators are paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pete Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Diceman said: do some groomers get paid or is it all volunteer? Depends on the club and/or district. In our club we have 4 paid operators and 4 volunteer operators. In our district I would estimate it to be 50-60% paid operators. From a H&S perspective the liability is no different for volunteers vs paid employee. All the requirements laid out in the OFSC Groomer Manual apply equally to volunteers and paid employees. Ignoring them puts the district, and its directors, at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manotickmike Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I'd be OK with needing First Aid for getting a snowmobile trail permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-crz- Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, snowchopper said: Years ago most operators were volunteers. Now cause of liability/ insurance reasons most if not all operators are paid. It would be interesting to see the stats on this province wide. I am a volunteer operator and our club is mostly volunteer. Last year we had 1 paid operator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) OK, so I haf'ta ask: Why would a groomer opp need to know First Aid any more than any other person on Earth? Or a sledder for that matter? (as mentioned just above) Edited October 21, 2019 by Ox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ox said: OK, so I haf'ta ask: Why would a groomer opp need to know First Aid any more than any other person on Earth? Or a sledder for that matter? (as mentioned just above) What if he has to get out and cut a branch or limb with the saw, and cuts himself doing so ? He has to be able to fix himself up, as there's likely nobody with him. Removing brush from the brushing bar or deck of the drag, cut himself or fall, twist or break an ankle, wrist, anything. Gotta know how to do a proper splint to prevent the injury from getting worse. What if he comes across a sledder who's had an oops ? He could administer first aid to the rider so as they could get out to safety. Anyone who ventures way the hell out into the boonies, would do well to know basic first aid. Period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, -crz- said: It would be interesting to see the stats on this province wide. I am a volunteer operator and our club is mostly volunteer. Last year we had 1 paid operator. The club in my district is all paid and i'am pretty sure all drivers for Highland Rovers are also paid. A lot of the groomers are guys that have been laid off their regular jobs for the winter.So they are looking for some income for the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manotickmike Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Way I see it, there's 2 kinds of people. Maybe I'm over-simplifying. I've been involved with risky s#it roughly since birth. Downhill skiing (NOT the kind most of you do..) Windsurfing, (see previous comment) dirt biking, motorsports, etc. etc. Having some training, even the basic, BASIC 1st aid dragged out over 2 days means 2 things. 1 Acknowledging that crap happens. Many go blithely through life thinking they're immortal. I've met these people, and administered 1st aid to them. 2 Being the kind of person that can help when/if it does, maybe not having to re-live it feeling helpless, and maybe a bit guilty. Why would you want to be part of that other group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Diceman said: do some groomers get paid or is it all volunteer? paid... some choose to donate their pay back to the clubs... they also have to provide a drivers abstract It's all about protection from liability.... same reason the groomers are now having dashcams and satellite tracking Edited October 21, 2019 by 02Sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, manotickmike said: Way I see it, there's 2 kinds of people. Maybe I'm over-simplifying. I've been involved with risky s#it roughly since birth. Downhill skiing (NOT the kind most of you do..) Windsurfing, (see previous comment) dirt biking, motorsports, etc. etc. Having some training, even the basic, BASIC 1st aid dragged out over 2 days means 2 things. 1 Acknowledging that crap happens. Many go blithely through life thinking they're immortal. I've met these people, and administered 1st aid to them. 2 Being the kind of person that can help when/if it does, maybe not having to re-live it feeling helpless, and maybe a bit guilty. Why would you want to be part of that other group? Doo you folks not teach this in Health class in skewl? I understand that that doesn't make us EMT's, but wrapping a bleeder in a greasy rag and keeping pressure on it a while covers most. Pull the belt off yuhr britches and use that if too bad for that, but make sure to ease up occassionally to get some blood to the extremity. If you blow a femur, well, it's up to you - but be carefull as you could slice up a major artery if you bounce it around too much. (if the accident didn't doo that already, and if it did, you will likely be much better served getting out on your own NOW as opposed to waiting for a chopper in a cpl hours) If your chum riding point stuffed it in the bush when some clown on a big fast Cat came wide around the corner - and hit a 24" Maple head on at 50 klicks (whatever) and hasn't so mach as twitched since, I doubt your gunna help much anyhow.... I'd like to think that most of us here are not paper pushers, and have much experience with ouchies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Crow said: First aid I wouldn't have a problem with. Always good to know, and help someone out of a bad situation who might not have otherwise, priceless. I have taken WHMIS before at work. I'm not sure I see how it's really required for a groomer operator. But am certainly open for your take on it. Pretty simple. As an operator you are required to - fuel the groomer - check the fluids (engine oil, antifreeze, hydraulic oil, etc.) and possibly top them up - fill a chainsaw with gasoline and bar oil All of these are hazardous substances controlled by a MSDS. I think there is a point where the training has gotten too onerous for volunteers to bother with. Not there yet, but probably getting close to it. Big thing is making as many of these classes have 3 or 5 year expiry dates vs 1 year. It's easier to sell if you know its once through abd then you are good for a few years. Unfortunately most of this is provincial legislation, not OFSC policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Ox said: Doo you folks not teach this in Health class in skewl? We did CPR and first aid in high school, but you still need refreshed. Things also change from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T bird Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Ox said: Doo you folks not teach this in Health class in skewl? I understand that that doesn't make us EMT's, but wrapping a bleeder in a greasy rag and keeping pressure on it a while covers most. Pull the belt off yuhr britches and use that if too bad for that, but make sure to ease up occassionally to get some blood to the extremity. If you blow a femur, well, it's up to you - but be carefull as you could slice up a major artery if you bounce it around too much. (if the accident didn't doo that already, and if it did, you will likely be much better served getting out on your own NOW as opposed to waiting for a chopper in a cpl hours) If your chum riding point stuffed it in the bush when some clown on a big fast Cat came wide around the corner - and hit a 24" Maple head on at 50 klicks (whatever) and hasn't so mach as twitched since, I doubt your gunna help much anyhow.... I'd like to think that most of us here are not paper pushers, and have much experience with ouchies. Common sense can carry one a long ways in life!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) One problem, common sense isn't as common as it used to be. Edited October 22, 2019 by Crow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 And a G license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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