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3 hours ago, Sledguy74 said:

 I also feel there is a added safety factor when braking having the IR or studs

There have been two extreme downward hills I have been on - surface was a combination of snow, ice, bare rock, gravel in ice, medium to large rocks....let myself down in two foot increments on brake only. Sure glad I had the studded track.

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In over 20 years of riding last year was my first sled with studs, I called the factory rep and he recommended me not to use the ice attack or ice ripper on a sidewinder :wtf:

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Two incidents early in my sledding experience convinced me of the need for studs for what and how I ride. The first was getting three quarters of the way up a long icy hill south of Huntsville without studs, when the sled stopped then slid backwards into the studded machine behind me. That machine saved my bacon. The next was the experience of getting blown completely sideways on Lake Simcoe, catching a patch of snow and high siding at cruising speed. No such issues in the past 25 years with studs or ice ripper, but I almost got accidentally sideways a few times with the ice ripper, so I am back to studs. Safety, not acceleration, is why I stud. Don't like the idea of sliding to the outside of every icy corner in Muskoka in the spring.

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Over 30 years riding - only sled without studs was our 1988 Polaris Sprint

Every sled after has been studded - and will always be studded.

Zero interest in pre-studded- enjoy doing it myself and my kids will not be riding without them under my roof for nothing more than control/safety concerns.

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They are a pain to remove. Spent a couple hours last night with a buddy. Still about 30 that we couldn’t remove because the Allen key in the back won’t hold a key. It will be a grinder and wheel for those.

 

No significant damage to the track at least.

 

 

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Been riding for 30yrs myself, and have only had 1 sled that had studs. And that was because they were installed when I bought it. I have never encountered a situation  that would prompt me to spend the time and money to install them. Riding within the limits of what you have is key. And I ride hard.

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13 minutes ago, Zertrider said:

Been riding for 30yrs myself, and have only had 1 sled that had studs. And that was because they were installed when I bought it. I have never encountered a situation  that would prompt me to spend the time and money to install them. Riding within the limits of what you have is key. And I ride hard.

I don't know where you ride - or what you ride - but it's undeniable that a studded track/sled not only handles better, but is safer in almost 100% of conditions. You either have never ridden one, or are lying to yourself in an effort to convince yourself to not spend the $500.00 bucks. 

 

Even back in the old days - when you wanted to get power to the track - that had lugs below 1" - I couldn't imagine ripping around on my XCR 800 or piped up triples with no studs and I can guarantee you that a studded sled vs a non studded would blow the doors off you, it's not up for debate, it's a fact. 

 

To each their own - I will never ride in Ontario without them and neither will my kids.

 

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2 minutes ago, Spiderman said:

I don't know where you ride - or what you ride - but it's undeniable that a studded track/sled not only handles better, but is safer in almost 100% of conditions. You either have never ridden one, or are lying to yourself in an effort to convince yourself to not spend the $500.00 bucks. 

 

Even back in the old days - when you wanted to get power to the track - that had lugs below 1" - I couldn't imagine ripping around on my XCR 800 or piped up triples with no studs and I can guarantee you that a studded sled vs a non studded would blow the doors off you, it's not up for debate, it's a fact. 

 

To each their own - I will never ride in Ontario without them and neither will my kids.

 

Current ride is a 19 ZR8000. Have ridden everything from 470 SkiDoo to ZRT800x2.

Ride everywhere from southern Ontario (home) to the northern corridor.

And bullshit on the 100% of conditions. You trying to convince me that in fresh snow a 1/4 round pin sticking out of a track makes a difference? Not a chance. Either you haven't ridden a sled without studs in so long that you have forgot what it's like, or you are brainwashed.

 

Oh, and of the 12 guys I regularly ride with, 1 is studded.

 

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4 minutes ago, Spiderman said:

I don't know where you ride - or what you ride - but it's undeniable that a studded track/sled not only handles better, but is safer in almost 100% of conditions. You either have never ridden one, or are lying to yourself in an effort to convince yourself to not spend the $500.00 bucks. 

 

Even back in the old days - when you wanted to get power to the track - that had lugs below 1" - I couldn't imagine ripping around on my XCR 800 or piped up triples with no studs and I can guarantee you that a studded sled vs a non studded would blow the doors off you, it's not up for debate, it's a fact. 

 

To each their own - I will never ride in Ontario without them and neither will my kids.

 

LOL....I believe we ride in the same areas some of the times and there is no lie, I have no issues 95% of the time riding with no studs in those same area's.

Granted, I have not ran anything less than a 1.5" track since I opted to stop using studs, other than the Doo rental I was on last year and I think it had the 1.25" track, but zero issues with that.

 

You need to adjust your riding knowing you do not have them when the situations present themselves.

 

 Wind blown lakes are not very common around these areas, but that is onw situation you need to be very careful of......one of reason I do not like Lake Simcoe, too much wind blown bare patches with less snow and more milder temps around here.

 

It is defiantly a personal preference......but I agree, kids and/or wife would have studs, one less thing that I want them having to think about until they feel the need to not want them and show they are able to ride safely without.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

They are a pain to remove. Spent a couple hours last night with a buddy. Still about 30 that we couldn’t remove because the Allen key in the back won’t hold a key. It will be a grinder and wheel for those.

 

No significant damage to the track at least.

 

 

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Instead of grinder, grab tip of stud with vise grips and loosen nut with open ended wrench....another option to consider.

 

Is it me or does some of the holes in the double square backers look bigger than the others?

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Another important factor with now studs is you need less bite up front, that can give you an easier steering effort.....too mush bite and no studs, creates more issues in the corners.

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14 minutes ago, Zertrider said:

Current ride is a 19 ZR8000. Have ridden everything from 470 SkiDoo to ZRT800x2.

Ride everywhere from southern Ontario (home) to the northern corridor.

And bullshit on the 100% of conditions. You trying to convince me that in fresh snow a 1/4 round pin sticking out of a track makes a difference? Not a chance. Either you haven't ridden a sled without studs in so long that you have forgot what it's like, or you are brainwashed.

 

Oh, and of the 12 guys I regularly ride with, 1 is studded.

 

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30 minutes ago, stoney said:

LOL....I believe we ride in the same areas some of the times and there is no lie, I have no issues 95% of the time riding with no studs in those same area's.

Granted, I have not ran anything less than a 1.5" track since I opted to stop using studs, other than the Doo rental I was on last year and I think it had the 1.25" track, but zero issues with that.

 

You need to adjust your riding knowing you do not have them when the situations present themselves.

 

 Wind blown lakes are not very common around these areas, but that is onw situation you need to be very careful of......one of reason I do not like Lake Simcoe, too much wind blown bare patches with less snow and more milder temps around here.

 

It is defiantly a personal preference......but I agree, kids and/or wife would have studs, one less thing that I want them having to think about until they feel the need to not want them and show they are able to ride safely without.

No issues vs superior handling and braking are 2 different things.

I can drive my car with bald tires with no issues too - but I would prefer to do it with good tires.

 

To each their own.

Same conditions - studded vs non-studded - I know who will come out at the other end quicker.

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36 minutes ago, Zertrider said:

Current ride is a 19 ZR8000. Have ridden everything from 470 SkiDoo to ZRT800x2.

Ride everywhere from southern Ontario (home) to the northern corridor.

And bullshit on the 100% of conditions. You trying to convince me that in fresh snow a 1/4 round pin sticking out of a track makes a difference? Not a chance. Either you haven't ridden a sled without studs in so long that you have forgot what it's like, or you are brainwashed.

 

Oh, and of the 12 guys I regularly ride with, 1 is studded.

 

Groomed trails - studded is superior for traction and braking.

Fresh snow - duh - come on man - nobody is that dumb here.

 

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1 minute ago, Spiderman said:

No issues vs superior handling and braking are 2 different things.

I can drive my car with bald tires with no issues too - but I would prefer to do it with good tires.

 

To each their own.

Same conditions - studded vs non-studded - I know who will come out at the other end quicker.

Maybe we can find out one of these days......LOL.

 

If I choose to ride with a little more spirit, the difference between those falling behind or ahead, is not who does or does not have studs!

 

But yes, to each their own and it is all good......just make sure ya have a pass, studs or not, matter not for riding companions :)

 

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Bought a 136" pre-installed-studded ice ripper type track way back when they first came to market... hated it. I was disappointed with the lack of penetration compared to a good stud. Also found the points to wear and dull down way ahead of the life of the track. The track itself was a thumper. Worst out of balance track I have ever encountered. I took the loss and bought a new track and went back to studs - never looked back.

 

As previously mentioned here about Lake Simcoe... Before moving to Haliburton, I used to live near Queensville and did all of my sledding around Cooks Bay / Holland River. You learn VERY quickly about the reasons for studding. Also mentioned here was the nightmare of making it 3/4 the way up an icy hill and rolling backwards - nothing more needed to say about that ! 

 

To all the guys who have modded their turbos well past the 200 hp mark and no studs ? gotta laugh at that. 

 

However, this topic comes up in this forum EVERY year and is about as pointless as the other annual laugh fests :

  • What's the best oil ?
  • What's the best belt ?
  • What's the best sled ?
  • Hand signals
  • ad infinitum

Have at it. :)

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12 minutes ago, Cuyuna said:

Bought a 136" pre-installed-studded ice ripper type track way back when they first came to market... hated it. I was disappointed with the lack of penetration compared to a good stud. Also found the points to wear and dull down way ahead of the life of the track. The track itself was a thumper. Worst out of balance track I have ever encountered. I took the loss and bought a new track and went back to studs - never looked back.

 

As previously mentioned here about Lake Simcoe... Before moving to Haliburton, I used to live near Queensville and did all of my sledding around Cooks Bay / Holland River. You learn VERY quickly about the reasons for studding. Also mentioned here was the nightmare of making it 3/4 the way up an icy hill and rolling backwards - nothing more needed to say about that ! 

 

To all the guys who have modded their turbos well past the 200 hp mark and no studs ? gotta laugh at that. 

 

However, this topic comes up in this forum EVERY year and is about as pointless as the other annual laugh fests :

  • What's the best oil ?
  • What's the best belt ?
  • What's the best sled ?
  • Hand signals
  • ad infinitum

Have at it. :)

Agree 100% especially with your list of other pointless conversations.  But I do like studs especially my male stud!!!  Woot woot.  Happy sledding folks

 

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6 minutes ago, Cuyuna said:

Bought a 136" pre-installed-studded ice ripper type track way back when they first came to market... hated it. I was disappointed with the lack of penetration compared to a good stud. Also found the points to wear and dull down way ahead of the life of the track. The track itself was a thumper. Worst out of balance track I have ever encountered. I took the loss and bought a new track and went back to studs - never looked back.

 

As previously mentioned here about Lake Simcoe... Before moving to Haliburton, I used to live near Queensville and did all of my sledding around Cooks Bay / Holland River. You learn VERY quickly about the reasons for studding. Also mentioned here was the nightmare of making it 3/4 the way up an icy hill and rolling backwards - nothing more needed to say about that ! 

 

To all the guys who have modded their turbos well past the 200 hp mark and no studs ? gotta laugh at that. 

 

However, this topic comes up in this forum EVERY year and is about as pointless as the other annual laugh fests :

  • What's the best oil ?
  • What's the best belt ?
  • What's the best sled ?
  • Hand signals
  • ad infinitum

Have at it. :)

But isn't that part of the fun regarding sledding......discussing / disputing these things, over and over and over again.....

 

  • What's the best oil  - synthetic
  • What's the best belt - the one that works best for you
  • What's the best sled - I have a feeling my mind on this one might be swayed in about 10 months.....
  • Hand signals - weren't they banned a little while ago
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35 minutes ago, Spiderman said:

 

 

To each their own.

Same conditions - studded vs non-studded - I know who will come out at the other end quicker.

Lol. OK.

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2 minutes ago, whits-end said:

Yes, I have an opinion about this, don't need to discuss it.

Its a sled forum with people discussing sled stuff -  insanity :)

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14 minutes ago, Cuyuna said:

Bought a 136" pre-installed-studded ice ripper type track way back when they first came to market... hated it. I was disappointed with the lack of penetration compared to a good stud. Also found the points to wear and dull down way ahead of the life of the track. The track itself was a thumper. Worst out of balance track I have ever encountered. I took the loss and bought a new track and went back to studs - never looked back.

 

As previously mentioned here about Lake Simcoe... Before moving to Haliburton, I used to live near Queensville and did all of my sledding around Cooks Bay / Holland River. You learn VERY quickly about the reasons for studding. Also mentioned here was the nightmare of making it 3/4 the way up an icy hill and rolling backwards - nothing more needed to say about that ! 

 

To all the guys who have modded their turbos well past the 200 hp mark and no studs ? gotta laugh at that. 

 

However, this topic comes up in this forum EVERY year and is about as pointless as the other annual laugh fests :

  • What's the best oil ?
  • What's the best belt ?
  • What's the best sled ?
  • Hand signals
  • ad infinitum

Have at it. :)

Don't forget about what a rip off the cost of a pass is.

If you're going to make a list - make it accurrate.

 

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