soupkids Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 You will notice that trails are starting to open up around sudbury. With that you may also notice that many trails will stay red for the season due to land permission issues. Places watch for press releases and FB posts for all the details. The system will be very fractured this year with not many interconnections. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR SLEDHEAD Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Kudo's to those involved in getting things into shape for the season. A shame to hear some won't open at all though, especially on a season that is more likely vs not gonna be a short one. If indeed becomes fractured, gonna break the back of those that rely on winter sledding business to make the all yr plan work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Not just in D12 Soup. Sad to think, that after all the crap that the volunteers have go through to get trails available, brushing, signing, meeting landowners, club meetings and then go brushing again after heavy snow/ice storms, all the while using their own trucks, trailers, quads or sleds, saws, fuel for all the above, all out of their pockets (at least for me and the guys I volunteer with) that this BS with the insurance/permission wasn't looked into months ago. They screwed this up in '16, and got a bunch of trails closed down for awhile, some never reopened. Why the hell would they do this again?? I'm tired, guys I volunteer with are tired, wasting our time and energy, and money for what? Brutal. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Strong Farmer Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, Crow said: Not just in D12 Soup. Sad to think, that after all the crap that the volunteers have go through to get trails available, brushing, signing, meeting landowners, club meetings and then go brushing again after heavy snow/ice storms, all the while using their own trucks, trailers, quads or sleds, saws, fuel for all the above, all out of their pockets (at least for me and the guys I volunteer with) that this BS with the insurance/permission wasn't looked into months ago. They screwed this up in '16, and got a bunch of trails closed down for awhile, some never reopened. Why the hell would they do this again?? I'm tired, guys I volunteer with are tired, wasting our time and energy, and money for what? Brutal. Thank-you crow. I hope to get more involved in future if system survives here in d5. The weather and all of this red tape bs is killing it, then you have trespassers as you know. It never ends it seems and I fear it soon will be all over if winters continue like this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTC Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The people at the top are too worried about drivers abstracts and creating new regulations and more paperwork, they are way out of touch with the real problems. I understand risk management but they went too far with the driver abstract. As Crow said the main guys and gals doing the real work are getting tired, myself included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 The biggest problem is CP rail. They want a 12 month agreement with the club responsible for ANYTHING that happens whether it is snowmobile related or not. An example would be a train derails due to lack of maintenance, potentially the club, ofsc could be forced to pay the costs associated with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason T Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Would this affect the Entire D rail bed from say Skead to Field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jason T said: Would this affect the Entire D rail bed from say Skead to Field? No but from coniston to wahnapatie it does and south to broder dill. Edited January 16, 2020 by soupkids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Those railroad guys are being right railroadasholes lately and it aint just sleds. Someone out there, REAL EM IN this is nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 20 hours ago, GTC said: The people at the top are too worried about drivers abstracts and creating new regulations and more paperwork It's not them, they have to keep up with employment regulations or they leave the ofsc open to law suits or fines. All workplaces are effected by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason T Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Lots of trails going green in the area. I am a bit shocked at how many are disappearing and broken links. ouch. what should be 18km is now a 57km detour to Grandma's house, Kids wont make it that far. Edited January 17, 2020 by Jason T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jason T said: Lots of trails going green in the area. I am a bit shocked at how many are disappearing and broken links. ouch. what should be 18km is now a 57km detour to Grandma's house, Kids wont make it that far. Not fun at all. Hard to plan any sort of trip with all of these trail closers poping up. Looks like touring maybe coming to an end and you will need to trailer from one broken area to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtserider Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jason T said: Lots of trails going green in the area. I am a bit shocked at how many are disappearing and broken links. ouch. what should be 18km is now a 57km detour to Grandma's house, Kids wont make it that far. What is going to be the best way going forward? Closed for the season or just not open yet. ITG odiously doesn't have that capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, gtserider said: What is going to be the best way going forward? Closed for the season or just not open yet. ITG odiously doesn't have that capability. As of now, closed, might they reopen, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pete Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The directive we are hearing is that any trail that does not have a valid land use agreement can not stay on the ITG. It must be removed. You can not leave it closed status indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Pete said: The directive we are hearing is that any trail that does not have a valid land use agreement can not stay on the ITG. It must be removed. You can not leave it closed status indefinitely. Agree with that position because many sledders unfortunately think that a Red - Closed trail can still be used by THEM. This turn of events is going to be devastating to some businesses that rely on snowmobiling. This could be a watershed year in the sport and certainly is discouraging news. Edited January 18, 2020 by bbakernbay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Pete said: The directive we are hearing is that any trail that does not have a valid land use agreement can not stay on the ITG. It must be removed. You can not leave it closed status indefinitely. 17 minutes ago, bbakernbay said: Agree with that position because many sledders unfortunately think that a Red - Closed trail can still be used by THEM. This turn of events is going to be devastating to some businesses that rely on snowmobiling. This could be a watershed year in the sport and certainly is discouraging news. x2...makes perfect sense if a trail has no hope of opening for the season, just delete it to avoid confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerBurnt Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Thank you Kathleen Wynne voters and Bill 100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Big Pete said: The directive we are hearing is that any trail that does not have a valid land use agreement can not stay on the ITG. It must be removed. You can not leave it closed status indefinitely. We had trail from 17/18 come up on the ITG in 18/19 season that we were not using or signing. Our request to have it removed from the ITG was to take 30 days, which sounded crazy in the first place, it did not happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 4:14 PM, Poo Man said: It's not them, they have to keep up with employment regulations or they leave the ofsc open to law suits or fines. All workplaces are effected by it What Employment Regulations are you referring to that is causing the latest problems with Conservation Authorities and Railways wanting the OFSC to be responsible for all liabilities arising from trail activity, not just snowmobiling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtserider Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Crow said: We had trail from 17/18 come up on the ITG in 18/19 season that we were not using or signing. Our request to have it removed from the ITG was to take 30 days, which sounded crazy in the first place, it did not happen. District admin should be able to that in a minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 You would think so, but apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, gtserider said: District admin should be able to that in a minute. Ours did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, bbakernbay said: What Employment Regulations are you referring to that is causing the latest problems with Conservation Authorities and Railways wanting the OFSC to be responsible for all liabilities arising from trail activity, not just snowmobiling. I'm referring to what I quoted with regards to drivers abstracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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