dweese Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Here is a twist... Good snow year mean more grooming which means more fuel and operating cost... So the better the year the more your permit is going to cost... I'd pay more for another year like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossy Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Here is a twist... Good snow year mean more grooming which means more fuel and operating cost... So the better the year the more your permit is going to cost... I'd pay more for another year like this one Here is a twist on your twist.... What about the years there was less grooming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It will be very interesting how this new way of collecting and distributing permit dollars, paying clubs per hours groom will work out. With a super winter we just had the Ofsc was probably not counting on that when they introduced their framework of change. I think all clubs groomed more hours even the most southern ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark Biter Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It is my understanding that FFC is in for 2 years as was presented at AGM of last year. Or should I say "shoved down our throats". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It is my understanding that FFC is in for 2 years as was presented at AGM of last year. Or should I say "shoved down our throats". no there is more for thisyear after the results are analyzed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It is my understanding that FFC is in for 2 years as was presented at AGM of last year. Or should I say "shoved down our throats". Can you please explain what FFC stands for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Can you please explain what FFC stands for? framework for change also known as framework for control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 framework for change also known as framework for control Thank you,i thought that is what it stood for but I was not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggie Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 i dont think a permit increase is not a big deal,,,,clubs cant keep losseing money, thats why clubs close. is there any clubs that make money,,, i dont think so or am i wrong ? $20 or 30 dollers more is well worth it.. to me For sure before amortization there will be clubs making money. The ffc is build so that every district get the same money for trail work and grooming hours. A clubs loosing money, year after year, it isn't about the money most of the times, there are other problems. Thanks, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 For sure before amortization there will be clubs making money. The ffc is build so that every district get the same money for trail work and grooming hours. A clubs loosing money, year after year, it isn't about the money most of the times, there are other problems. Thanks, Greg There is not enough money in the pay by the grooming hour to cover major breakdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It is my understanding that FFC is in for 2 years as was presented at AGM of last year. Or should I say "shoved down our throats". You voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceman Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Overall FFC is working ( so far) but as Bill pointed out, breakdowns set some clubs back big time this year. We broke down our financials and on the old system we would have been out of money for grooming by Feb 1. Also correct is the 10 percent permit sale increase doesn't cover the 100 percent grooming increase. I just wish this season would end!!!! Don't see the regional permit happening and certainly, with this being an election year don't see the val tag increase going ahead. Far more questions than answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volunteer2 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 You voted for it. Yes the floor voted in favour and it was not that close. It was " take it all or nothing and if you don't take it the sport will keep dying a miserable death" Don't get me wrong, I am in favour of freedom for change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 i dont think a permit increase is not a big deal,,,,clubs cant keep losseing money, thats why clubs close. is there any clubs that make money,,, i dont think so or am i wrong ? $20 or 30 dollers more is well worth it.. to me I would still buy the permit at the higher price and still believe it is a great value. There are lots out there that whined about it being too high and the $180 is what we got. Those same people that whined about the permit cost probably think nothing of dropping a $100+ on a night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggie Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 There is not enough money in the pay by the grooming hour to cover major breakdowns Sorry, don't agree. If every club get $72 for every km of trail and $65 for every grooming hour, you have enough money to keep the club going. Maybe not enough to pay the fuel for the heated shop and maybe not enough money to buy a new groomer but you can also buy a used groomer. If I see the difference in spending money at the 15 clubs on district 1, you start crying. As example the difference on admin cost is low $3000 and high $25000. Most likely you will see the same in other districts. Thanks, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Here is a twist on your twist.... What about the years there was less grooming? They where saving for a rainy day? LOL, hey didn't say I could explain the down years and price increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. If every club get $72 for every km of trail and $65 for every grooming hour, you have enough money to keep the club going. Maybe not enough to pay the fuel for the heated shop and maybe not enough money to buy a new groomer but you can also buy a used groomer. If I see the difference in spending money at the 15 clubs on district 1, you start crying. As example the difference on admin cost is low $3000 and high $25000. Most likely you will see the same in other districts. Thanks, Greg Greg, what club admin? I thought they were volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. If every club get $72 for every km of trail and $65 for every grooming hour, you have enough money to keep the club going. Maybe not enough to pay the fuel for the heated shop and maybe not enough money to buy a new groomer but you can also buy a used groomer. If I see the difference in spending money at the 15 clubs on district 1, you start crying. As example the difference on admin cost is low $3000 and high $25000. Most likely you will see the same in other districts. Thanks, Greg how many k of trail do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Not enough money to support what we do X2! Everything goes up each year, insurance, repairs fuel etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggie Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 how many k of trail do you have? 240 km Thanks Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. If every club get $72 for every km of trail and $65 for every grooming hour, you have enough money to keep the club going. Maybe not enough to pay the fuel for the heated shop and maybe not enough money to buy a new groomer but you can also buy a used groomer. If I see the difference in spending money at the 15 clubs on district 1, you start crying. As example the difference on admin cost is low $3000 and high $25000. Most likely you will see the same in other districts. Thanks, Greg Natural corridor trails (over lakes etc.) only get $15/km. We also have to groom some trails with a Skandic and drag and do not get any money for that. There is no way under FFC and without a substantial increase in permit cost that clubs can afford to groom for a lengthy season like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterules Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I'd like to see the permit price go up some it's a bargain for what we get . When my carbides ( snowtrackers ) cost more than my permit somethings wrong , I don't need the carbides without trails to ride on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I put more in gas in two weeks then my permit costs for the whole season! Time for an increase for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 The same cheap selfish bastards that say the trails are not good enough Hopefully the freeloader weekend will be eliminated. If after this winter folks can't be convinced to buy a permit, nothing short of buying their gas will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 You got it Rev After 2 years of Free Family Day Weekend, the giveaway must end. If they are not converted by now, they never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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