ravinerat Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Anyone else hear of this? BREAKING NEWS - QUEBEC BANS STUDS! You heard it here first…word has it that Quebec police are beginning to fine snowmobilers ($60 to $100) who cross public highways on tracks studded with after market traction products. Thanks to a pilot project enacted recently, this new law effectively shuts Quebec trails to many local sledders and visiting riders this winter unless action to end it by the Quebec Snowmobile Federation succeeds quickly. The ban apparently does not apply to tracks such as Ice Ripper (2nd photo) that come equipped with studs pre-molded into the lugs. Riders beware - and please share this post. RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I had heard from the Temiscaming Club President that this law has been in place for many years. Highway bureaucrats gone wild. Why don't they ban heavy trucks, Highway 11 north of North Bay is so heavily rutted after last weeken's rains that it was at least an inch or more deep. Quick freeze and guess what, 4 narrow skating rinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I had heard from the Temiscaming Club President that this law has been in place for many years. Highway bureaucrats gone wild. Why don't they ban heavy trucks, Highway 11 north of North Bay is so heavily rutted after last weeken's rains that it was at least an inch or more deep. Quick freeze and guess what, 4 narrow skating rinks. Lots of places in cottage country have half load restrictions seasonally. Perhaps our Minister of Transportation should look at similar for the highway. It's not just that highway though. I see ruts on the 401 across Toronto as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskywizard Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It's not like these trails have just sprung up in the last 6 months, nor have studs suddenly appeared on the scene. If the municipalities managed their paving contracts better, they could specify a more appropriate road bed and top course for where known trails cross the roads. Step 1 is for the MTO, town staff and town councillors to fully accept sleds and recognize them as legitimate users of both land and roadways. Until then, sell all your Woody's stock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extreme600 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Anyone else hear of this? BREAKING NEWS - QUEBEC BANS STUDS! You heard it here first…word has it that Quebec police are beginning to fine snowmobilers ($60 to $100) who cross public highways on tracks studded with after market traction products. Thanks to a pilot project enacted recently, this new law effectively shuts Quebec trails to many local sledders and visiting riders this winter unless action to end it by the Quebec Snowmobile Federation succeeds quickly. The ban apparently does not apply to tracks such as Ice Ripper (2nd photo) that come equipped with studs pre-molded into the lugs. Riders beware - and please share this post. RR Seriously I did NOT want to see this. Crap I have studs not pre-molded studs either. WTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunz Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Seriously I did NOT want to see this. Crap I have studs not pre-molded studs either. WTH Same as Karen's, Not going to stop us from going in February, will be interesting to see if they are actually enforcing it, If they do they will certainly see a drop in out of province sledders for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Next thing will be carbides. Quebec allows vehicle studs, so what is the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Some discussion on FS. Someone posted the legislation which has been around for years. I'm thinking it involved skidders etc. Some outfits add chains to the tires when they get worn dow, I bet they would do a number on pavement. It's been a while since I've been thru Ardbeg, but there used to be a sign in town @ the start of the pavement that read, "No vehicles with lugs past this point". Ned Nickerson jumping to conclusions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It's not like these trails have just sprung up in the last 6 months, nor have studs suddenly appeared on the scene. If the municipalities managed their paving contracts better, they could specify a more appropriate road bed and top course for where known trails cross the roads. Step 1 is for the MTO, town staff and town councillors to fully accept sleds and recognize them as legitimate users of both land and roadways. Until then, sell all your Woody's stock! By lots of track stock as people replace their tracks if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Seriously I did NOT want to see this. Crap I have studs not pre-molded studs either. WTH you can always ride at home instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Some discussion on FS. Someone posted the legislation which ahs been around for years. I'm thinking it involved skidders etc. Some outfits add chains to the tires when they get worn dow, Skidder Chains.jpg I bet they would do a number on pavement. It's been a while since I've been thru Ardbeg, but there used to be a sign in town @ the start of the pavement that read, "No vehicles with lugs past this point". Ned Nickerson jumping to conclusions? Legislation is from Dec 17, 2015. Effective date for enforcement was Jan 7, 2016. This information is from the quebec snowmobile federation. from a director of a club north of mtl.........Indeed weekend snowmobilers are actually recover a finding of infringement by the police on the trail between 319 and Minerva Lake Nominingue Following comments from snowmobilers I have contacted the FCMQ for the right time .... the direction of FCMQ had been informed by many snowmobile ... FCMQ n was not aware of the guidelines given to police apparently 17 December to be implemented on January 7 .... this situation is absurd and contradicts the safety rules ... By way of information I learned that the management of the FCMQ was en route to Quebec for a meeting with the MTQ (d to other folders) and the subject of the spikes were put in the agenda So expect to developments in case .... But nothing prevents you (like the I do) send a M Minister POLI your comments please address the following; ministre@mtq.gouv.qc.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I believe point #2 is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Sounds like a rumour to me. Hope so but doesn't look like it's just a rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 send a message with your wallets... DONT RIDE THERE! send a message to the snowmobile council, and the tourism council, and tell them why you wont go to their province, and spend your hard earned money in their communities. Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It does state "studs inserted in the tires or tracks of off highway vehicles" in section 2. Would this not include sleds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extreme600 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 you can always ride at home instead I know that and do. We are only doing 1 trip there. Believe me I ride a LOT in Ontario. But, I do go for a trip every year to different areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I had heard from the Temiscaming Club President that this law has been in place for many years. Highway bureaucrats gone wild. Why don't they ban heavy trucks, Highway 11 north of North Bay is so heavily rutted after last weeken's rains that it was at least an inch or more deep. Quick freeze and guess what, 4 narrow skating rinks. I do agree Brian. They should ban heavy trucks in Ontario because of the damage they do to the highways as long as people don't mind the fact that there will be 2 trucks on the highway for every heavy one taken off the roads and the cost of a vast array of products will increase due to transportation costs for goods and services increasing. Roads will last longer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Wait until McWynnety figures this one out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It does state "studs inserted in the tires or tracks of off highway vehicles" in section 2. Would this not include sleds? First and foremost you would need to know what they consider "off highway vehicles" .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhz06 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 FMCQ Rules and Regulations has the full document but in reference to the above regulation they refer to an off highway vehicle as described in chapter V-1.2. Full document attached. Lots of ambiguity and typical government confusing verbage. chapter V-1.2 AN ACT RESPECTING OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLES CHAPTER I SCOPE 1. This Act applies to the following off-highway vehicles: (1) a snowmobile whose net mass does not exceed 450 kg and whose width does not exceed 1.28 m, equipment included http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/V_1_2/V1_2_A.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Asked and answered, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Same as Karen's, Not going to stop us from going in February, will be interesting to see if they are actually enforcing it, If they do they will certainly see a drop in out of province sledders for sure. Perhaps that is what some want....after all this is QC we are talking about... I am sure it will amount to nothing, just like when the topic of mirrors come up in QC, supposed to have them, but lots do not and do not get harassed by the Police for not having them. I am trying to recall if we saw many sleds in QC with studs when we did our trips.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I checked QuebecRider.com & the folks over there are just as puzzled about this. We used that forum for info when we were planning our visit thru the Noranda & Amos areas a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am sure studs are fine! Unless you are being a moron and going down centre of road, with sparks flying, no one is going to stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am sure studs are fine! Unless you are being a moron and going down centre of road, with sparks flying, no one is going to stop you. Like riding through down town Val d'or.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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