Strong Farmer Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, Sksman said: With ethanol becoming the norm would those old water eliminator sticks be helpful? they were a white plastic cage on a string that you could drop in your tank. would these absorb the ethanol/water? now on my Polaris I doubt you could get it down the fuel neck past whatever they have built in the tank. I wouldn’t use those. If they take water they take ethonal too. Guess what happens next? Octane will be trapped in water stick since E, has a considerable amount of octane in it, I am guessing 6 points at least. If you added an octane boaster to every tank it might compensate for it though. Best way to keep tank full and e give you way less trouble. All my equipment I keep tanks full now when they sit and e can’t absorb near as much water then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volunteer2 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 What about this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 hours ago, volunteer2 said: What about this. Might be real hard on rubber components in fuel system. Hoses, diaphragms etc. I be afraid to use it. my dad used some sort of drying conditioner in diesel fuel. Kept taking out high pressure fuel pumps. I told him to stop buying it and all our problems went away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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volunteer2 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, Strong Farmer said: Yup saw that the other day what about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, volunteer2 said: Yup saw that the other day what about this That stuff sounds great if it works. Defiantly won’t hurt anything, Lately I haven’t been adding anything to gas just full up my tanks. Nothing seems to go bad at all 🤷🏽♂️. only thing I have been using is howes diesel fuel treatment. Mostly add it for winter in bulk tank. I did buy marine stabil for e and crap went bad on shelf after I opened it. Absorb water from air and went green. Was originally blue 🤣. Not buying blue stuff agsin. Maybe you have to use it right away and not put it back on shelf opened. 🤷🏽♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 snake oil. nothing will eliminate, remove, neutralize ethanol/alcohol. Ski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, skidooboy said: snake oil. nothing will eliminate, remove, neutralize ethanol/alcohol. Ski Had a feeling you where going to say that and I have to agree. You ever cross at sarnia boarder? Rec 90 fuel in Michigan near boarder you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 11:17 PM, Canuck said: What are you doing for boat fuel this year? Marina is far away. Currently stopping at marina with gas cans on the way north, but that's messed up - driving by car to the marina, to fill cans with gas. Old Yamaha 100 4 stroke. And 40 hp Merc 2 stroke. When Phil was running village Marina they were using ethanol free fuel. The supplier is out of Barrie. Mayes Martin I believe it's still out there for marina use, dependant on supplier.. https://mayesmartin.com/lubricants/product.php?id=89 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Yukon said: When Phil was running village Marina they were using ethanol free fuel. The supplier is out of Barrie. Mayes Martin I believe it's still out there for marina use, dependant on supplier.. https://mayesmartin.com/lubricants/product.php?id=89 I doubt it. I asked our farm fuel supplier and they said they can’t even get e free fuel anymore. We are stuck with E in all fuels sold in province. I bet they were purchasing shell free 91, which is no longer available., 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Better for the environment but worse for the toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Yes, it can be bad but the issue becomes magnified by sitting around - understand the shortcomings and act accordingly. I generally will try to take older gas not mixed and put in my vehicles - haven’t had an issue yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, RAMSOMAIR said: Better for the environment but worse for the toys. how? 30% less fuel economy with e10, costs more to produce, not to mention the water required for corn growth, and then even more for the ethanol production. when you look at carbon output, again, you would use 30% more fuel, to produce the same mileage as non E fuels. tell me how, it is better for the environment. raping the land for "fuel corn", pulling food for livestock, textile, and other cash crop items, from previously cash cropped fields... over and over while using harsh chemicals, and synthetic fertilizers, and GMO plants to get more production for what? an additive that messes up most fuel systems in ICE systems. yes... tell me more, how this is better for the environment. Ski 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 so my fuel consumption has gone up 30% since ethanol fuels introduced........who knew? And they rarely water corn crops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Does ethanol cause worse gas mileage? Ethanol contains about one-third less energy than gasoline. So, vehicles will typically go 3% to 4% fewer miles per gallon on E10 and 4% to 5% fewer on E15 than on 100% gasoline. I think you added a zero! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 What are the pros and cons of ethanol in fuel? Ethanol. Pros: Reduces demand for foreign oil, low emissions, high octane, and can potentially be produced from waste materials; existing cars can use 10-percent blends (called E10), and more than 8 million cars already on the road can use E85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, RAMSOMAIR said: Does ethanol cause worse gas mileage? Ethanol contains about one-third less energy than gasoline. So, vehicles will typically go 3% to 4% fewer miles per gallon on E10 and 4% to 5% fewer on E15 than on 100% gasoline. I think you added a zero! no, your math is "fuzzy". one third of 100% is 33%. so... 100% of the energy from non e, with one third less energy, is a 30% (33) loss. you can argue all you want, the math doesnt lie. and yes... they do water corn, and yes, they use water to produce ethanol while "cooking" the corn down to get the ethanol out. Ski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 So really 3% less fuel economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 5 hours ago, skidooboy said: how? 30% less fuel economy with e10, costs more to produce, not to mention the water required for corn growth, and then even more for the ethanol production. when you look at carbon output, again, you would use 30% more fuel, to produce the same mileage as non E fuels. tell me how, it is better for the environment. raping the land for "fuel corn", pulling food for livestock, textile, and other cash crop items, from previously cash cropped fields... over and over while using harsh chemicals, and synthetic fertilizers, and GMO plants to get more production for what? an additive that messes up most fuel systems in ICE systems. yes... tell me more, how this is better for the environment. Ski Pretty sure that in Ontario at least, ethanol corn is a cash crop. I would also think that the corn sold for ethanol helps to keep the remaining corn market prices somewhat higher since there is less volume of corn available for other purposes. Those higher prices would then benefit farmers growing and selling corn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 3 hours ago, RAMSOMAIR said: So really 3% less fuel economy. The energy content of ethanol is about 33% less than pure gasoline. The impact of fuel ethanol on vehicle fuel economy varies depending on the amount of denaturant that is added to the ethanol. The energy content of denaturant is about equal to the energy content of pure gasoline. In general, vehicle fuel economy may decrease by about 3% when using E10 relative to gasoline that does not contain fuel ethanol. So on a 20 MPG vehicle you would loose 0.6 MPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Today's corn-based ethanol reduces greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by roughly 40 – 50 percent compared to regular gasoline, according to recent studies by Harvard, USDA and the Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory.Mar 3, 2022 So like I said, only 3% poorer fuel economy and is better for the environment! That's pretty good reason to use it I'd say. I understand that it has some issues for our toys but I think they can be overcome with some proper maintenance and precautions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, RAMSOMAIR said: Today's corn-based ethanol reduces greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by roughly 40 – 50 percent compared to regular gasoline, according to recent studies by Harvard, USDA and the Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory.Mar 3, 2022 So like I said, only 3% poorer fuel economy and is better for the environment! That's pretty good reason to use it I'd say. I understand that it has some issues for our toys but I think they can be overcome with some proper maintenance and precautions. Does that 40-50% take into account the emissions to plant and harvest corn, manufacturer the ethanol and truck it to blend facility? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Strong Farmer said: E good for engine no doubt. Can extended your oil changes no problem and burns cooler and cleaner. Spark plugs last forever. I don’t even bother changing them any more. too bad we can’t get E100. that would solve issue with phase seperation and it would keep in its pure form no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMSOMAIR Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Does the emissions from gasoline take into account the emissions to drill for oil, refine the oil into gasoline and truck it to the pumps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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