I just put my phone in the heated goggle bag, engine heat keeps it warm.

My son uses them all the time. Never had him complain they are too hot. Maybe ones you bought were out of spec and someone put too much chemical in them 🤷🏽‍♂️. My heated gloves broke so I be shopping for a new pair next year. 

943 miles so far

Stopped twice so far in Barrie area, quick stop for trail permit and validation sticker. I have been out 3 or times a week since trails opened

Forgot about cat lol