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Yup, I get its a problem - totally. My kid doesn't have a can for good reason. All I was saying at younger ages, most of them can't understand the bigger picture yet, and that comes with almost everything. That's all I am saying, I get both sides, i think kids and adults both make a lot of stupid decisions, and sometimes it takes a hard lesson or time to mature to actually get it.   If I had sleds running across my property - off trail would be bothersome - exhaust noise I could not and would not give a crap about. It's not a big deal to me and I personally think an "easy" excuse for other bothers in one's life. My opinion of course.

Yep, I did! From the roads I travel in and around this area I see sled tracks on the river at queensville SR, soldiers bay doesn’t have any tracks, see lots of huts on cooks bay and I thought I saw a post about radar runs on cooks bay the other week (might have been a past memory though).   Would be nice to hear a first hand report though of anyone that has run the lake, river, etc…  

Not condoning it either or a hater, but I can get how the noise can be a bother no doubt, and at the end of the day, it’s the land owner generosity that allows trails to exist in some areas, so need to consider that first over any other interest or exploring ones passion in some areas.  however, I also think people in general have become way less tolerant to many things, yet tolerate other silly things (to me at least 😀). Trails will continue to be lost for this reason, it only takes a very small number to piss off that one or two people that have major impacts.   

I have no problem with anyone riding off trail with a can. As long as they do it on crown land or somewhere they have permission. The ones riding OFSC trails with cans and off trail on private property which they don't have permission to be on are the problem. When trails are closed because of their actions it causes a lot of work for already overworked volunteers as well as other issues. That is just wrong.

I read, hear, and understand everything you just said. I fully understand the implications of all those things and at 49 years old, get it. I had cans, pipes, and rode off trail as a young rider. I am more than well aware of the issues all of those things can cause.   That said, it is also not lost on me what being a young person was like, how we saw things, how we understood things, living and learning. so personally, I don't sit from any seat of judgement and preach how dumb they are. We all were at their age, so don't forget that.    I have a 16 year old who has been around sleds his whole life and been on trails since he could hold a helmet on his head with a neck collar supporting it. He enjoys trail riding, but he enjoys off-trail riding more and wants a long track sled.   That is where he gets the most enjoyment from riding a snowmobile. It makes sense, because it is fun.   With the internet, instagram, tik tok, reels etc. - that is what looks "fun" to young people, as it naturally should. Do you think young kids are watching reels for any extended period of time of a sled going straight on a rail trail? snooooooze   It's like Seadoo's - you can sit on the seat all day and go vroom vroom - or you can get a Trix, and have some goddamn fun with it,    I guess what I'm saying is because someone has a different way of enjoying something similar, who am I to judge that? Maybe it's me.......   I personally don't understand people getting bent out of shape over some added exhaust noise either. They all make noise - one makes a little more and it's so bothersome that I want to close off riding? Doesn't make sense to me, but that's me. There are way bigger things going on that would bother me than some noise off in the distance while watching CBC news.   Rant over