Panther340

Natives along North shore of Lake Huron ( actually from Sudbury to Wawa) have all sorts of disposable income when everyone over 18 were each given checks of anywhere between 100 and 200 thousand in Oct 2024. ( treaty payout 10 billion) Heck the car dealers set up new truck models along hwy 17 to entice purchases ( many sold since ! ) I am told ATV sales crazy too . So maybe you south Ont folks should advertise your used sleds in Sudbury, Sault, Manitoulin Media. Just a thought.

And that is why shared trails with other users eg ATVs causes pause for private land owners, summer use is assumed by non paying characters.

If you want a bit of an eye opener about what is crown land and what is not see below gov link.... after you agree to terms of link etc layers are ..pale yellow is crown , other colours is private land or native land or park land..... around me here in Echo Bay I have to drive 30 minutes to Thessalon before some consistent crown land.....and north of Sault along highway 17 most contiguous townships are private or park to Wawa, more of that towards Chapleau and even west a bit. And Crown land south of North Bay becomes rare quickly ......so private owner agreements are plentiful all over much of Ontario. https://www.lioapplications.lrc.gov.on.ca/CLUPA/index.html?viewer=CLUPA.CLUPA&locale=en-CA

Nope ....even around Sault North to Wawa has much private land, many complete townships are private owned by logging interests. Sault East to Bruce Mines mostly private , ( we have to go east of hwy 638 to hunt deer or birds on crown land )

Supposedly the Farmers Almanac agrees with that train of thought too. I bet Greta, the Enviro punk, is not happy . ....less speaking tours .

I think it depends what the landowner use agreements say.

Considering sadly that snowmachines might be around only one or two more generations after us.....trail change talk might be moot !! ......heck we are already seeing younger generations no longer interested in the " car culture" ......forced on us electric self driving cars 20 yrs from now !! .........boy they will need to pry my gas engine cars, boats, snowmachine and Atv , etc from my dead hands ! !

Here is a link to build Ont map of crown land, ( you have to accept terms and then wait for it to load, the colours aren't as vibrant as they should be to help see..) but even north of Sault and east of 17 between the Indian Reserves and Private Land and Parks , see how the leftover crownland is many times deep in bush . ( barely any crownland in Southern Ont) Now add in complex logging rights on crown land, constantly changing hands every few years .......you have a moving target for OFSC to try to make the trails permanent on lands they cannot ever afford to buy , and the existing insurance liabilities to "lease" like now on private. And also not set precedences for permanent use of crown land that other groups would want. ......just being devils advocate of tricky balance act OFSC must do now. https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-use-policy-atlas

Blue skies yesterday and today here in Echo Bay and Sault area. I guess it stayed south of us here along hwy 17.

This old map 1957 is for Dan Senior to comment on.

I forgot about Pier 17 ( and I was born in Blind River ! Raised in Elliot Lake ) thats a great convenient restaurant !

We put vinegar on fries only......and at 3 am , I am snoring or up for my nightly pee !!

Yes to Bobbers in Bruce Mines, Blind River has a good clean run A+W on hwy 17 across from OPP station. Elliot Lake lost a few places due to covid, but cruise Ontario Ave a few private run restaurants there. Or McDonald's on hwy beside Timmies.

Always ! My garage is stocked with Sleemans .

The polarization of society in past three years has even gone so far as dividing families ( including my own) One of the best things this site did was separating those sensitive topics to that Monkey Forum. I am purposely not a member there because when we didn't have it , even though I would say to myself I would ignore or not read certain posts.....I am too passionate ( and well informed ) and would be tempted to read and reply.....so now with it separate in Monkey section, I can avoid easier. So as long as Moderators keep that stuff over in Monkey, I think we all , in the rest of the forums, can get along with other common passions like the outdoor sports , or technical helps , non political jokes.....etc.. so I consider you all people I am confident would be friends if we met in my garage with a beer.