Sorry Nutter, you lost me a bit on this one.   Stoney mentioned from what he heard - the MTO got nothing in return. That was my point, it's not nothing, they get lots in return.  Stoney understood it to be $0.00. No need to convince me, I never thought it was nothing.    If I buy a pass today, and my val tag expires in January - are the MTO going to show up and take my pass back? Force me to buy a new val tag?   On the bold, no, what I think is decisions were/are made with the best intentions at the time they happen.  Do I think some decision makers are left making hard decisions outside of their limitations and understanding - yes, in some cases I would believe that to be true. Nature of the beast in volunteer driven operations though.   To the last point, the feds don't even want gas powered cars on the road - so...there is that lol               

Correct, only trail to downtown PS is now cut off via the fitness trail....land owner I assume at the north end removed permission to allow sleds to pass through.....that is what I read at least.   What do you mean by "open the whole thing"?   I am not overly familiar with the area for sled trails, I know the sequin is south of PS, as it crosses the 400 at the pretro canada/licks that trail passes by the jolly roger and ends at rose point road at the other end of PS from the fitness trail.....I have stayed at Jolly Roger a few times before but only headed south from there vs. north to PS.

If anyone wants a cool project that possibly could solve this seasons issues, join a club and have your club demand at the District board table, that your District use up at least 75% of their surplus funds for operations before taking any provincial payments. Or find a legal way to extract it and place it in the provincial pot for equitable distribution, and of course still have everyone play nice in the sandbox together. 

Seriously ? Think about it .........  $15 val tag fee and all the tax spin off sledding generates.  Sled permit revenue is absolute chump change compared to that.  The province doesn't have to do any heavy lifting for that,  just collect and provide reasonable requested legislation and policing.    Convinced now ?      As said many times over getting rid of the MTOs involvement would make the trail system uninsurable, also mandatory permit legislation wouldn't exist outside of private property, which also would only be policed for a fee and by consent/request of the land owner.  It would likely also change how trails are granted Crownland access.  The whole reason club volunteers created Bill 101 in 2000/2001 was because the OFSC was in a revenue and insurance crunch, it allowed permits to become mandatory to ride OFSC trails and allowed for blanket policing.    You speak as if for over the last 60 years the literally 10s of 1000s of past and current volunteers just did/do things on a whim and not with reason and careful consideration ?    When the PCs were in power Federally they were generous in giving back to sledding to help it along. The Libs never were. No idea where Dougie and his people stand, are his hands federally tied when it comes to sledding ?      

Humm you can't be too far from my uncles place, which is near mactier.