MikeD Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I saw these sleds on Saturday, we were on a loop that took us down thru Deerhurst and I saw a group of doos coming up off Pen Lake, as they went by, I said to myself "hey, this must be a dealers ride or something" ... just then a Rev went by with that low 4 stroke tone ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonut Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 A buddy of mine was invited to the ride on saturday. His impressions as follows. 4 stroke in the mx body...pass. Sluggish and heavy. 500lbs dry. The touring couch, "if I was in the market for a couch, definately. It felt like driving down the trail in my Denali". I had a chance to flog a new e tec 600 saturday afternoon. Pretty quick little 600. Decent top end( 102 speedo), very and I mean very light feeling. Hitting ruts on the lake at 90 to 100 set up a pretty good dance between the legs. Strange deceleration characteristics. Like hitting the braskes when ya let go of the throttle. Very quiet, no smoke at all. Might be the next Mrs.Doonut ride if it comes out in Renegade trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giddy UP Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents worth...since I bought the 600 E Tech MXZ TNT and put just over 200 miles on it this weekend at the Kelly Shires Ride. 1) Love the XP Platform - it's light and easy to handle. I drove this one all day Saturday...then tried to ride my old sled MXZ Adrenaline and thought somebody had put a 1000lbs weight on my arms and shoulders. OMG...what a difference just 1 day made - I can't go back now~! 2) I went over 200 miles and only used about 3/4 of tank of gas - it really sips the fuel! Great for those long hauls up north where gas is slim pickins in the bush! 3) Starts on the 1st pull - when cold! I can't say the same when it's been running What's up with that? Usually the other way around It seemed that once the sled was warm and we shut down for a break or lunch....it took many more pulls on the cord before it fired up. I will be speaking to the dealer tomorrow about that....could be something needs an adjustment. 4) It overheated on me on Saturday during the slow ride and detours through roads and pavement . I was not a happy camper with only about 150 miles on my sled and BAM the temp gauge goes on and says BEEP BEEP BEEP!!! We shut it down and had to wait approx 15 mins before it would start up again! Once again...many more pulls than just one! 5) It's definitely quiet - but - it does smell Maybe it was because I was breaking in a new engine....or maybe it was because I was riding behind STG? Doonut - you are right about the deceleration. When you let off the throttle it's like putting on the brakes.....pretty cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatboyC Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I'm no expert but my guess is your problem starting a warm engine is directly related to your overheating issue. Now my only experience is with a completely different engine mind you. I had my new sled out 5 times this year but all in mild weather. If I have been running a while then stop the engine right away it sometimes would not start on first pull. I have learn to let it idle for 30 seconds or so before shutting it off. I was only letting it idle until the rpm came down to 2000. Once I waited another 15 sec. for a approx. 30 sec. total it always started first pull after. It likes to cool off a bit more before shutdown. I'm blaming this on the -4c weather. Glad to see you like the chassis. I'm sure the dealer will figured out the overheat problem. Where are the pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giddy UP Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I'm no expert but my guess is your problem starting a warm engine is directly related to your overheating issue. Now my only experience is with a completely different engine mind you. I had my new sled out 5 times this year but all in mild weather. If I have been running a while then stop the engine right away it sometimes would not start on first pull. I have learn to let it idle for 30 seconds or so before shutting it off. I was only letting it idle until the rpm came down to 2000. Once I waited another 15 sec. for a approx. 30 sec. total it always started first pull after. It likes to cool off a bit more before shutdown. I'm blaming this on the -4c weather. Glad to see you like the chassis. I'm sure the dealer will figured out the overheat problem. Where are the pictures? Here you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berrypirate Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 nice ride! if its like any other ski doo I've had you have to hold the throttle open when starting it warm... it is still a series 3 rotax... I installed a LED temp gauge and it is amazing how hot the temp gets when running on the roads.. I jump 20 degrees when riding a road for even 1 mile... a little snow on the exchangers and it cools right down though. the old sleds idiot lights are late actors... sometimes too late, so maybe they have cured this??? that is an impressive sled and no doubt if you are looking at a 600 this has to be in your wheelhouse. I predict them being really damn reliable too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Might be worth the investment for a temp gauge. I have one on my new sled, and I like having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Interesting thread. Looks like a great machine.. and technology. I came across a product in a magazine call an "ice scraper". Basically a wire hanger that folds out from undercarriage when necessary, and scrapes ice or hard packed surface to lubricate track. Folds back when on trail. If temps are high, worth considering. Temp gauge is also a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatboyC Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Good suggestions but a brand new sled should not overheat. Unless most other sleds that day did and everyone was wearing a bathing suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Rider Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Interesting thread. Looks like a great machine.. and technology.I came across a product in a magazine call an "ice scraper". Basically a wire hanger that folds out from undercarriage when necessary, and scrapes ice or hard packed surface to lubricate track. Folds back when on trail. If temps are high, worth considering. Temp gauge is also a great idea. Hartman, the Yamaha mountain specialists, have prbably the best Ice Scratchers I have ever seen. They install on the ski mounting bolts and clip up on top of the ski when not in use. Lubricate the whole length of the hyfax and spray snow and ice up on the heat exchanger right from the front to the back. Really work slick. That being said, I have never seen a sled in Ontario using any kind of Ice scratcher. Lots out west in spring conditions, but they are more of a mountain specific add on with really tall lug (2"+) tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatboyC Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Lots out west in spring conditions, but they are more of a mountain specific add on with really tall lug (2"+) tracks. Newb question. Why would tall lugs need scrapers more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatboyC Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Here you go! Thanks for the pic Giddy UP. Looking good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Great looking sled. (But Thelma (of Thelma & Louise) what did you do with the '66 Thunderbird?) We await your next adventure. Take LMV with you ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Great looking sled. (But Thelma (of Thelma & Louise) what did you do with the '66 Thunderbird?) We await your next adventure. Take LMV with you ...... He would have trouble keeping up with us! :P Signed, Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giddy UP Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Rider Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Lots out west in spring conditions, but they are more of a mountain specific add on with really tall lug (2"+) tracks. Newb question. Why would tall lugs need scrapers more? Tall lugs keep the track further up off the hard pack snow and don't throw alot of snow up on the sliders. The other issue out west is starting at the base of the mountains in icey/warm conditions and keeping everything lubed and cooled until you get to higher elevations with looser/deeper snow. It's a whole different world of snowmobiling when you get to western Alberta and BC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irREVerent Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giddy UP Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Hey irReverent They just think it was the conditions on Saturday - road riding - slow moving - not enough snow on the heat exchangers to cool it.....however, I wanted a temp gauge anyway.....I never had a sled before without one. Like you I prefer to know when it's getting warm before it is too late. Once the temp gauge is installed I'll have a better idea of whether it was the conditions or the sled. They also said that the computer will not allow the sled to start again until it has cooled enough to be safe. I'll keep you posted if I have any further problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 He would have trouble keeping up with us! :P Signed, Louise Do phasers go over 50km/h?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hmmm, so you took the Monkey's suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hmmm, so you took the Monkey's suggestion Yes ... as much as most of us hate to admit it, the monkey is occasionally right! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500ssman Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Hey irReverent They just think it was the conditions on Saturday - road riding - slow moving - not enough snow on the heat exchangers to cool it.....however, I wanted a temp gauge anyway.....I never had a sled before without one. Like you I prefer to know when it's getting warm before it is too late. Once the temp gauge is installed I'll have a better idea of whether it was the conditions or the sled. They also said that the computer will not allow the sled to start again until it has cooled enough to be safe. I'll keep you posted if I have any further problems. A temp gauge will doo the trick. Most people who don`t have em seem to be not as aware as the guys that have em are.I run a temp gauge on my sled and when I`m road running or going slow I constantly look for a snow bank , ditch or loose snow to pop into to cool the sled down. The guys that don`t have em could care less Temp gauge should be standard on all sleds for the bloody price you pay for em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Hey irReverent They just think it was the conditions on Saturday - road riding - slow moving - not enough snow on the heat exchangers to cool it.....however, I wanted a temp gauge anyway.....I never had a sled before without one. Like you I prefer to know when it's getting warm before it is too late. Once the temp gauge is installed I'll have a better idea of whether it was the conditions or the sled. They also said that the computer will not allow the sled to start again until it has cooled enough to be safe. I'll keep you posted if I have any further problems. A temp gauge will doo the trick. Most people who don`t have em seem to be not as aware as the guys that have em are.I run a temp gauge on my sled and when I`m road running or going slow I constantly look for a snow bank , ditch or loose snow to pop into to cool the sled down. The guys that don`t have em could care less Temp gauge should be standard on all sleds for the bloody price you pay for em! I hit the bank constantly anyway. Its the only way to get down the road! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Hey irReverent They just think it was the conditions on Saturday - road riding - slow moving - not enough snow on the heat exchangers to cool it.....however, I wanted a temp gauge anyway.....I never had a sled before without one. Like you I prefer to know when it's getting warm before it is too late. Once the temp gauge is installed I'll have a better idea of whether it was the conditions or the sled. They also said that the computer will not allow the sled to start again until it has cooled enough to be safe. I'll keep you posted if I have any further problems. A temp gauge will doo the trick. Most people who don`t have em seem to be not as aware as the guys that have em are.I run a temp gauge on my sled and when I`m road running or going slow I constantly look for a snow bank , ditch or loose snow to pop into to cool the sled down. The guys that don`t have em could care less Temp gauge should be standard on all sleds for the bloody price you pay for em! I won't run a sled without one either! Best investment! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Just got back from the dealer (St. Onge) and have ordered the temp gauge for the sled. It will be installed next week. My old sled that Mr. Giddy now has - has a temp gauge and he tells me that he was running on the "hot" side as well that day. I prefer to know BEFORE it's too late and too hot Hopefully this new gauge will do the trick!!! Hey, Giddy...I'm really curious about what St. Onge told you about the over-heating issue. Just due to "conditions" and break-in, or is there an actual problem? I've had a temp. gauge on my last several sleds (including my current REV), and wouldn't be without one. For whatever it's worth, on the slow sections and road runs of our KS Saturday ride, my temp. gauge went up a bit as usual, but luckily, nowhere near the danger zone. Hey irReverent They just think it was the conditions on Saturday - road riding - slow moving - not enough snow on the heat exchangers to cool it.....however, I wanted a temp gauge anyway.....I never had a sled before without one. Like you I prefer to know when it's getting warm before it is too late. Once the temp gauge is installed I'll have a better idea of whether it was the conditions or the sled. They also said that the computer will not allow the sled to start again until it has cooled enough to be safe. I'll keep you posted if I have any further problems. A temp gauge will doo the trick. Most people who don`t have em seem to be not as aware as the guys that have em are.I run a temp gauge on my sled and when I`m road running or going slow I constantly look for a snow bank , ditch or loose snow to pop into to cool the sled down. The guys that don`t have em could care less Temp gauge should be standard on all sleds for the bloody price you pay for em! I won't run a sled without one either! Best investment! :P A terrific investment ! It lets you know that the trend of the temperature and once you get used to what the gauge normally reads it will even make you aware of other issues under "normal" circumstances. Some of the older sleds had secondary cooling measures as well .At one time Cats had rads and Polaris had what was probably one of the most successful systems in the running board heat exchangers.Cooled the engine and warmed the feet no slush on the running board either . I can see as more and more road running occurs as land use is lost this problem will occur more . Manufacturers may need to add alternative cooling systems. Perhaps an "ATV" type small rad with an electric fan . Any how congrats on the new ride enjoy and have fun the best solution for all of this is a whole lot of snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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