gsx6 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 If I read correctly council was in favour of the program and recognized the benefits but it was the works department head that came up with liability concerns not the elected council. Hopefully this is correct. I am curious about the liability of everyone else that uses multi use trails. Who covers slip and fall,e-bike,bicycle, skateboard, hoover board,horse back etc etc. Why do they always claim liability concerns with off road vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I haven't had the issue while cycling in Ptbo, but in T.O. it's brutal. Asshats just walk across the paved path w/o out looking. I usually yell @ them. Most of the time I get a dirty or blank look as if to say, "Where did you come from?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think the problem with cities like this is, the majority of old people that don´t want there little part of the world disturbed, tree huggers and polititions that refuse to see the economic impact that the sledding industry has on the local economy. They don´t seem to realize that one of the few things a sledder carries is their wallet. These two cities as an example. If the cities embraced a snowmobile trail in there town sledders would purchase a sled and accessories, buy fuel,food at restaurants, motel rooms, taxi service (or uber,LOL), local bar and possibly entertainment and shopping. This all being spent at time of year when tourism is at a low. Plus the local snowmobile club would maintain the trail with grooming that walkers and cross country skiers could share and the groomers would purchase fuel and possibly stop for something to eat also. If they only allow walkers on the same trail, what economic impact to they have on the local economy? Lets see as a walker I think I will grab my bottle of water out of the case of water I purchased at Costco on sale for $3.99 for a 48 pack, or fill a reusable bottle from the tap. Then I want the city to have my walking trail plowed, salted and sanded so I don´t slip and fall when I go out for an hour walk. If Parry Sound can do it, Ptbo should be able to as well. Also, in the winter the economy seems to revolve around hockey tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I have heard similar from a marina operator about the difference between a power vs a sail boater. The sail boater will use his washrooms and showers, maybe buy a newspaper and a can of pop or cup of coffee. The power boater will buy a couple of hundred $ of fuel, newspaper, stock up on supplies a bunch of groceries and probably tip the guys who helped him tie up at the dock and pumped the gas. Yup my dad use to have a 30 foot sailboat. I remeber actually being turned away at a dock one day because they where saving space for powerboats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The OFSC insurance would apply only during sledding season. And only when the trail is listed as limited or open by the club I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The OFSC insurance does cover incidents when riders are riding on closed trails as well. Otherwise, landowners would not give permission as an incident would be on their dime. I verified this with the OFSC insurance specialist a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The OFSC insurance does cover incidents when riders are riding on closed trails as well. Otherwise, landowners would not give permission as an incident would be on their dime. I verified this with the OFSC insurance specialist a few years ago. That makes sense, especially since that is when an accident is at high risk of occurring. I wouldn't want to be on the hook for that if i was a land owner. Does it cover an accident any where on a property that a trail is on. If a rider goes off trail and hits something, will ofsc insurance cover that or is a landowner on the hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake G Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Now you have asked the question that clubs don't like to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 That makes sense, especially since that is when an accident is at high risk of occurring. I wouldn't want to be on the hook for that if i was a land owner. Does it cover an accident any where on a property that a trail is on. If a rider goes off trail and hits something, will ofsc insurance cover that or is a landowner on the hook? Yes. Verified at the same time. We had a landowner alsking those very questions and had to get the answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake G Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 But how far off the trail does the insurance continue to be in force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 On the landowner's property, as long as the landowner was not complicit in the act. In other words, a landowner cannot try to scam the insurance by having a buddy go off trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 On the landowner's property, as long as the landowner was not responsible for the act. In other words, a landowner cannot try to scam the insurance by having a buddy go off trail. Good to know! Be bad enough to have crop damage off the trail, never mind getting sued by an idiot rider too. How much is the liability coverage for claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Good to know! Be bad enough to have crop damage off the trail, never mind getting sued by an idiot rider too. How much is the liability coverage for claims? 15 Million per incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake G Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 On the landowner's property, as long as the landowner was not complicit in the act. That sounds good. Last year someone said that the OFSC insurance is good only for incidents on the "trail" and a fairly short distance off the trail. In other words, if a sledder were to enter private land via an OFSC trail but then decide to go exploring well away from the trail, the OFSC insurance would not be in effect in the event of an accident. I like your information better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 That sounds good. Last year someone said that the OFSC insurance is good only for incidents on the "trail" and a fairly short distance off the trail. In other words, if a sledder were to enter private land via an OFSC trail but then decide to go exploring well away from the trail, the OFSC insurance would not be in effect in the event of an accident. I like your information better. In those cases the OFSC does after the idiot for leaving the trail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 In those cases the OFSC does after the idiot for leaving the trail Great info for sure and is abit of incentive for landowners to allow us to use thier property. 15 million is amazing coverage. I have 5 million and it ain't cheap. Kudo's to the ofsc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 peterborough used to be a very snowmobile friendly town the kawartha cup races were held here and this town was full im not sure if it is still legal but in the early 80's you could ride in town i lived down town and had a 5500 blizzard that i rode all winter i sat on the committee to develope the uxbridge corbyville rail line and you cant fathom some of the ludicrous reasons people had for not allowing the trail i hope they do get the go ahead for access to town it would be good in years when there is snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 8/5/2015 at 11:35 AM, revrnd said: Several years ago we noticed that where the trail ended @ the Keene Rd, there was a parking area area that would make a decent staging area. Not sure what is available off the top of my head for a staging area closer to the Tims/Endicott location on Ashburnham. was just at a club meeting [ first one in 12 years ] the staging area and the trail into peterborough have been surveyed and are planned to go ahead no ground will be turned until its 100% signed and sealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reved Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 37 minutes ago, wrecker said: was just at a club meeting [ first one in 12 years ] the staging area and the trail into peterborough have been surveyed and are planned to go ahead no ground will be turned until its 100% signed and sealed Great to see progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Last time I read an article it stated the turbo charged ace in maverick was 154 hp from 90. 90 hp to 230 is a big leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 33 minutes ago, Viperules700 said: Last time I read an article it stated the turbo charged ace in maverick was 154 hp from 90. 90 hp to 230 is a big leap. Are you lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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