slomo Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Could be better or worse depending on your outlook with regard to enforcement..... "Seguin Township is prepared to look into its own police force. At yesterday’s meeting, council voted unanimously to conduct a feasibility study of the Township of Seguin, and perhaps neighbouring municipalities, forming their own municipal police force should the proposed OPP billing model is passed. Seguin Mayor David Conn says council felt they have no choice but to look into their own police force as the cost would more than triple with the proposed model. Conn says the township initiated a letter writing campaign to oppose the proposed model and he believes over 1000 Seguin residents wrote to their MPP and the minister responsible for the OPP. He adds that Seguin would be happy to work with the OPP revise the current model and make it better." From article: http://moosefm.com/cklps/news/seguin-looking-at-getting-its-own-police-force/ Keep in mind that ANY peace officer in Canada has jurisdiction everywhere, not just in their own region. Hmmm.....There are 1000 Seguin residents who can read and write? Obviously McDougall Township needs to do more work in this area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 The OPP costs are going up by a ridiculous amount and will have a severe affect on taxes not just in Seguin but all neighboring townships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 It makes sense. Municipalities ceased maintaining individual police forces due to the 'efficiencies' promised by the OPP. Businesses find efficiencies (work force, salary). Municipalities, publicly funded authorities and volunteer organizations rarely win in the long run with 'amalgamation'. Thanks for the MooseFM link, Slomo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Haliburton County said the same thing last week about forming their own police force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 All of rural ontario is going to get a triple charge under McWynntys new plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 funny Slomo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Going alone with your own force isn't good as everyone likes to believe. Have one high profile crime and the locals learn real fast its not cheaper when now they have to sub contract in the OPP for a forensic or dive unit, because your local force doesn't have the equipment for it... Trenton (Qunite West) dumped their own city force after 70 years and switched to the OPP, after a kidnapping and a kidnapping/murder happened 18 months apart, both have gone unsolved to this day. Belleville is looking at switching to the OPP as well, OPP is 15-20% more than the city force, but its cheaper in the long run when you look at the outsourcing being done now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 Going alone with your own force isn't good as everyone likes to believe. Have one high profile crime and the locals learn real fast its not cheaper when now they have to sub contract in the OPP for a forensic or dive unit, because your local force doesn't have the equipment for it... For sure..remains to be seen how much money Seguin Township will need to mount their Sled Patrol. Also, consulting fees to come up with a catchy acronym....STSP? nope, lacks a certain je ne sais quoi..... (French for 'I don't know what') Hmmm....how about S-DOTS? (Slow Down On The Seguin) Wonder whether the OPP will want to give up their own patrol in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The costs of policing is going up too quickly. Why is it that anything government controlled has the ability to grow its budget this quickly?It is beyond reason.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I wonder how the county sherrif's dep'ts & state trooper system works in the States? do the 2 forces look after certain infractions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerBurnt Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I wonder how the county sherrif's dep'ts & state trooper system works in the States? do the 2 forces look after certain infractions? ever watch Super Troopers I believe they also have voting on mill rates when it comes to policing and elect their sheriff too something we don't have up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossy Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 ever watch Super Troopers I believe they also have voting on mill rates when it comes to policing and elect their sheriff too something we don't have up here HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowchopper Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hopefully they will be a little more relaxed on the radar program.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 From the Six Mile Lake Spring Newsletter: The OPP's proposal is to charge municipalities a per residential household amount plus a charge per type of service call. The OPP has estimated that the average cost per household would be $369. Historically OPP services have been charged at a flat rate per property. This new proposal, which would charge properties based on their MPAC assessment, will be a significant hit for seasonal waterfront property owners. If this change is adopted, the OPP costs for the District of Muskoka would increase from $10,275,442 (as per the 2013 budget) to $17,738,937, a 72.6% increase. The District of Muskoka has calculated that this would require a general tax increase of 11.9% on the District portion of your tax bill. The district portion of your tax bill represents about 45% of the total bill so a 5.4% increase to cover the costs of the OPP should be expected is this proposal is adopted. Neither the District of Muskoka nor the Township of Georgian Bay support the proposed changes. _____ I also read an unrelated article about less 'crime' in Ontario. It was prior the OPP spending debacle, but asked the interesting question as to whether we 'need' all this policing. At the time I thought it's a chicken and egg question - is crime down because we have 'so much' police? Therefore, maybe the spending (as it was) worked. Efficiencies have gone out the window. Time to tighten the "spending spigot" (tm, Canuck, lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Passing thru Algonquin today on Hwy 60. Met a pilot truck about a 1/4 mile ahead of a OPP cruiser leading a tractor trailer hauling an oversize weldment on a flat deck. Another cruiser following. I wonder why it is necessary for 2 cruisers to escort a truck carrying an oversize load, especially when neither was leading the movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 From the Six Mile Lake Spring Newsletter: The OPP's proposal is to charge municipalities a per residential household amount plus a charge per type of service call. The OPP has estimated that the average cost per household would be $369. Historically OPP services have been charged at a flat rate per property. This new proposal, which would charge properties based on their MPAC assessment, will be a significant hit for seasonal waterfront property owners. If this change is adopted, the OPP costs for the District of Muskoka would increase from $10,275,442 (as per the 2013 budget) to $17,738,937, a 72.6% increase. The District of Muskoka has calculated that this would require a general tax increase of 11.9% on the District portion of your tax bill. The district portion of your tax bill represents about 45% of the total bill so a 5.4% increase to cover the costs of the OPP should be expected is this proposal is adopted. Neither the District of Muskoka nor the Township of Georgian Bay support the proposed changes. _____ I also read an unrelated article about less 'crime' in Ontario. It was prior the OPP spending debacle, but asked the interesting question as to whether we 'need' all this policing. At the time I thought it's a chicken and egg question - is crime down because we have 'so much' police? Therefore, maybe the spending (as it was) worked. Efficiencies have gone out the window. Time to tighten the "spending spigot" (tm, Canuck, lol). I wonder what would happen if the municipalities started saying NO in large numbers to the OPP and they suddenly had to start laying off lots of officers and shutting down stations? How fast do you think they may change their pricing strategy in order to keep their jobs. Or would they let the officers go and let them apply for jobs with the municipal police force which I assume would be at a lower pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Passing thru Algonquin today on Hwy 60. Met a pilot truck about a 1/4 mile ahead of a OPP cruiser leading a tractor trailer hauling an oversize weldment on a flat deck. Another cruiser following. I wonder why it is necessary for 2 cruisers to escort a truck carrying an oversize load, especially when neither was leading the movement. Don't they charge out for fhat at time and a half for off duty officers plus the car. If not mistaken whoever is paying to move the load also pays for the escort out of their own pocket. In Toronto paid "private" duty is rather lucrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The OPP detachment in Apsley closed in the early 90s. There were 14 or so officers stationed here at the time. Coverage (ha ha) is out of the Peterborough detachment now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The OPP detachment in Apsley closed in the early 90s. There were 14 or so officers stationed here at the time. Coverage (ha ha) is out of the Peterborough detachment now. The township / municipality is still paying for the OPP service although they have one less station to fund. If the townships / municipalities all started saying NO in large numbers especially neighbouring townships they would be shutting down the local OPP offices and laying off officers rather than perhaps just relocating some from one office to another and consoldating the administration out of one office. Imagine if all of Muskoka said NO. But then we would have it similar to what you see in the U.S. with so many different ones. You will see City / Town of Police, County Sherrif's Deputies, and so many others it will make your head spin and so many of them seem to overlap jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Passing thru Algonquin today on Hwy 60. Met a pilot truck about a 1/4 mile ahead of a OPP cruiser leading a tractor trailer hauling an oversize weldment on a flat deck. Another cruiser following. I wonder why it is necessary for 2 cruisers to escort a truck carrying an oversize load, especially when neither was leading the movement. The requirements for private or police pilots, pole cars and/or escort vehicles are set by the MTO here in Ontario. Determining factors are lane numbers and widths, and of course, the dimension and type of cargo. Each jurisdiction sets it own regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Don't they charge out for fhat at time and a half for off duty officers plus the car. If not mistaken whoever is paying to move the load also pays for the escort out of their own pocket. In Toronto paid "private" duty is rather lucrative. Yep ... the trucking company would have to arrange and pay for the officers and vehicles, and the escorts or pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Mike, in the instance I saw, all it appeared the OPP were doing was protecting the front & rear of the rig. The pilot truck was the vehicle you saw 1st. If 1 of the cruisers had been leading the movement, I could see that they were doing something useful. I've seen your EE rigs in Peterborough w/ huge crates on them w/ no escort. Maybe it depends on the weather or day of the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The township / municipality is still paying for the OPP service although they have one less station to fund. If the townships / municipalities all started saying NO in large numbers especially neighbouring townships they would be shutting down the local OPP offices and laying off officers rather than perhaps just relocating some from one office to another and consoldating the administration out of one office. Imagine if all of Muskoka said NO. But then we would have it similar to what you see in the U.S. with so many different ones. You will see City / Town of Police, County Sherrif's Deputies, and so many others it will make your head spin and so many of them seem to overlap jurisdiction. Summersville WV & Waterville OH are 2 places I know of in the US w/ very efficient in revenue collection police forces. Mind you w/ US 24 bypassing Waterville now, the cops there won't be near as busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Mike, in the instance I saw, all it appeared the OPP were doing was protecting the front & rear of the rig. The pilot truck was the vehicle you saw 1st. If 1 of the cruisers had been leading the movement, I could see that they were doing something useful. I've seen your EE rigs in Peterborough w/ huge crates on them w/ no escort. Maybe it depends on the weather or day of the week? Chances are we were hauling stators or rotors out of GE in Peterborough. Alot of them fall within the legal dims. It is possible the unit you saw on 60 was "just" wide enough to require police ... or it could have been a weight issue. On some engineered moves we are required to slow substantially when crossing bridges and culverts on MTO controlled highways, we can't do that unless we have OPP with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Chances are we were hauling stators or rotors out of GE in Peterborough. Alot of them fall within the legal dims. It is possible the unit you saw on 60 was "just" wide enough to require police ... or it could have been a weight issue. On some engineered moves we are required to slow substantially when crossing bridges and culverts on MTO controlled highways, we can't do that unless we have OPP with us. Mike, It probably was just over on the width. Looked maybe 2' on either side of the flat deck (just a typical 53 footer.) and maybe 2 feet high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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