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Yamaha sidewinders….

There has been a few on here that have mentioned possible trip this year to this region thus far, myself included (hopefully), so figured I would start a thread that those with experience and knowledge of the area based on past trips could share to help others looking to make this bucket list trip!

The number of people that care less about this are huge compared to the small numbers that do - so why bother with changing labels, etc....

I am thinking this fuel also has E - nothing stating it does not on Shell website and based on regulations, it is supposed too. Just a higher grade to compete with Sunoco/Petro Ultar 94, IMO......that has always had E in it. https://www.shell.ca/en_ca/drivers/my-fuels/shell-v-power-nitro-plus-premium-gasoline.html

Ya, that is the old sticker we have seen on shell pumps for years - most places they are now gone. But sounds like they now offer a new bland of 93 with no E. Not sure how they are doing that though - I always thought the shell gas stations had two gasoline tanks in the ground, one with regular (bronze) and one with 91. Regular (bronze) had E, silver was a mix of both gasolines, so half the E in it and 91 had no E.

Now, yes.....and it actually ranges from 24 hours and up (48, etc...), but we are talking about northern parts of ON & QC, in the past, surprisingly, many places did not charge you if you could not make it due to break down, etc......,you called, explained the situation and all good. So I am wondering if the Gaspe region that seems to have a higher rate of these things happening due to weather patterns, play by the same new rules as many other places do now since Covid.

Thanks PLC! Can you or perhaps others comment on the policy now a days on a now show at a lodge/hotel? It seems since Covid many places are charging for no show where they never used to since they understood things can and will happen on saddle bag trips, but that seems to no longer matter - you are not the first to talk about the good possibility of a storm rolling in and causing unplanned delays.

Gaspe - maybe this year!!! On the list but not experienced yet.

Done many northern ON saddle bag trips, that were all great, as I am sure many have on this site, but they are not the same as a saddle bag trip in QC - hospitality is one huge factor, more snow for most of the rides, other than one year in QC, it is just a better experience in my opinion. Not what this thread is about - both locations are good, but QC comes out on top for me too based on past experiences to date. I am sure who you ride with can make the difference too.

Agreed - plus you tend to meet up and talk with more people in the shacks there as well......but they have more shacks too.

I heard the same thing last year on the same trails that I rode and wondered what people were complaining about, we had great trails most of the time - cannot expect 100%, nice but not possible. I think it can be just timing - you missed the grooming schedule by a day. And talking to a few places we stayed that groomed, they will only go out I think it was twice a week, regardless - that is what they had funds for......

I would assume 48 x 2 = $96.......$48 for two days is too cheap and they really want you to buy season permit vs. getting out what 4 times @ $48 for the same price as early bird permit.

I found this posted on 23/24 permit fees - also states TBC. Permit Type Full By Dec 1 By Nov 1 Notes Seasonal $293.60 $243.60 $213.60 +processing fee 2000 model year and newer Classic $200.88 $170.88 N/A +processing fee 1999 model year and earlier Multi-day $48.06 – – minimum purchase of 2 consecutive days

I guess you did not hear about the nice big fat permit increase for this year, clubs are all getting a raise and bit left over for the groomers and fuel to cover the extra hours..... On a serious note, was the ON permit prices actually released?

Is that because you are also thinking we will be riding in April due to the great winter ahead of us ?!?!?

Were you at the parry sound parking lot tonight where the 30,000 cruise ship is? Little car show there tonight - we were having dinner on the patio and saw a few cars and trucks come pull in. Don’t see to many vipers around anymore.

Well, funny enough, I believe corn was the first to use GMO’s to turn it into super corn from a growth standpoint to keep up with that demand!

All really good info, really makes one look past what is just in front of you - that most can’t be bothered to do, but like all else, certain people/groups will capitalize on that!

I like your train of thought, Bill!

Yep, sounds like providing both options to allow us the consumer decide what we want to do - not once again be forced for some to use something that may not be first, second, third, etc…choice. Funny enough, that’s how it used to be not so long ago - hmmm, wonder what changed…..

Yes, it can be bad but the issue becomes magnified by sitting around - understand the shortcomings and act accordingly. I generally will try to take older gas not mixed and put in my vehicles - haven’t had an issue yet.

I looks like it’s been updated Last time I was on it, it was outdated for sure since it listed gas station with no E, but they did now. It’s also based on a persons input vs fact if I’m not mistaken….no actual validation. I think only way to trust now a days is test for yourself, and even than who is to say this weeks tanker delivery doesn’t have all E gas and the one before didn’t.

So $440 for early QC to a TBD early ON permit, that was what last year, around the $200 mark. The delta seems to be growing…. $ 440 for an annual trail permit purchased on or before December 9, 2023 $ 530 for an annual trail permit purchased after December 9, 2023 $ 900 for an annual trail permit sold in trail* $ 400 for an annual trail permit for antique snowmobiles (2003 and older) $ 285 for a 7-day trail permit $ 185 for a 3-day trail permit $ 95 for a 1-day trail permit $ 650 for an annual trail permit for a rental snowmobile $ 40 for a replacement trail permit

What year is that car, Bill? Looks clean.....3:91 in that would be fun. Cannot imagine you do much highway cruising though. Ever tested the gas at the native station on 400 (Wolf Energy)?

I do not know, I think it provided them a life line to remain in the market a bit longer than they would have if they did not partner with another manufacture.