got it.   as we discussed before, long past time to end this relationship then. The OFSC can have their own permit If they want to engage with the OPP for enforcement, they can have those discussions on their own.   The MTO serve no real purpose moving forward.   I know everyone wanted them involved to ensure sleds were licensed and insured - but their involvement truthfully does not guarantee that, at all, and with new protections in place, these aren't really needed any longer.   If the MTO want to be involved - they can have their seat at the table - but determining price of the product is a non starter.        

There was a hint of sarcasm in there.....but the riders are older based on surveys says, with more experience, less risks taken, etc.....but maybe with a slower reaction and attentiveness  

Had my Tekvest for 10 plus years, can’t imagine riding without it. Consider it second most important gear after a helmet. Bought it for the safety feature but enjoy for the back support. Snug it up , keeps your back straight and supported for those all day rides. Also for warmth on cold days although does get hot on the days in March on the plus 5C. 5 years ago fellow with us on a NB trip crashed 40 km into the trip on a roller coaster section of trail. Went end over end a couple times. Broke a few ribs. Sure if he had a vest on would have faired better.    

I barely use the app. Once before my ride starts and maybe somewhere along the trail. always close off app to reduce battery use. The app heat map is a completely flawed way to determine trail usage.   Second, I figure there are three main types of riders. Long distance multiple weekend/ trip riders who are paying for their trail permit. They get full value for their permit.  The second type of rider is the occasional ride after work or school within their club or district. Third, is the weekend cottager who rides on the weekend and occasional overnight trips and usually within their district.  By closing the many local trails affects two of these groups and will cause an increase of non permit riders. We have very little enforcement.    I feel the OFSC has lost sight of who the majority of riders are and slowly shutting them out by leaving the sport or riding without a permit.  OFSC needs to introduce a district permit at a reduced cost (say $125) so these riders will buy back into the trail system. It should be easy to create a new colour scheme. There will still be those who will cross districts. Better enforcement would hopefully convince riders to ride legally.   I know my idea is not perfect but it brings back riders and money and hopefully the missing trails and groomers.   Jerry

I've used it a lot while in the bathroom, at least now there's data where and when I've shat