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    • Yep, but I cannot see that changing much, tweaked for sure, but they will not stop putting out sleds with all the extras, 4-stroke, 2-stroke with turbo, etc...., just need to take that same chassis and remove all the extra stuff, like a Spark, those same PWC go from what, $9'ish to $26'ish new....I would think similar to sleds from a price standpoint. Need to see the numbers to put some educated thoughts on the targeted sales though, but even that right now will be skewed with the dip in the market that may or may not stick around.....even though we just came off some of the best back to back winters in a bit.    The bigger hurtle of comparing sledding to dirt bikes or water sports, is the season, distance to travel for it and out of home potential expenses. How many of your kids friends really want to sled, are sledding now, etc....there are options today for that, look what your son started on, albeit I think bought by mom and dad and likely the reason he is involved (family influence), take away the parent encouragement & sometime paying for that now a days and I think the younger interest drops off even more. There is the used market, etc....that for weekend warriors, are perfect, but I do not think the "younger" crowds are exploring those options currently, getting dirty doing the needed repairs or upkeep vs. paying a shop to do it, etc....even though there are options for them if they so wanted it bad enough, I just do not think enough of them are as interested like they used to be.    
    • Too expensive to have multi-level options. The market simply is not big enough for that, and shrinking, so that does not make any sense at the manu end of things.   I wouldn't worry about guys like you mentioned either, they need to be focused on what's coming in behind. If you miss the mark on that market, you'll get left behind. They know it.   Snowmobiling needs a Seadoo Spark generation/market and needs it now. For sleds, that means cheaper 2 strokes ( I know the Sparks are not ), that suit the younger generation and their tastes. Save the R&D money on the 50 + plus crowd and let Doo have it - it's not that big anyway and they'll fade away. Mountain riders and young people = future   I have a just turned 17 year old - I can tell you there is not one single person in his friend group and age demographic looking at big 4 strokes, with luggage space etc. for saddle bagging and daily riders. They could not care less about any of that stuff and have little to no interest in it. They also do not want to pay for it.    my 2 cents of course          
    • I agree, it does, I honestly just do not see that changing or happening for sledding. The ride is just one part or dynamic of an expensive sledding sport, not to say wheeling or dirt biking is not. Plus, where and how you ride a sled vs. a dirt bike, I can see a much greater appeal by way more to have a 2-stroke dirt bike.   There needs to be multi-level options to pick from for greater exposure from all walks of life, especially from a cost standpoint, in both 2-stroke and 4-stroke.....if you only have one and not the other, you will be left behind i.e. Yamaha. A few guys on here are talking next sled is a 4-stroke, time to make the switch for good, etc.... - what will they be on, likely a Doo given the current options..... One hard core Poo guy on here just jumped to what, a Doo, and for what, a 4-stroke....no one saw that coming or expected it  .   Which was my point, Cat I am sure will have a 4-stroke, which maybe they do or talked of it being in the works again and why my question, especially if the new chassis is a grand slam and keeps Cat in a good spot within the industry - I thought it was first said the new chassis was not designed for a 4-stroke, but I would find that hard to believe, anything can be reengineered to fit what is needed and I am sure already considered, but with the exit of Yami, retooling of Cat, the sale, etc....focus on what they have released now with more to come later .  
    • The sport needs to get younger or it’s going to die. The smart choice will be making more of what the younger people want, and will be able to afford. Kawi recognized this and delivered to the market. It was a huge success and they sold every single bike built The others will be following now.   Yammi had only the market you speak of and where are they? Gone            
    • Do share, curious to know.    I think poo and possible Cat will miss out on crucial sales numbers, the sport is not a young person sport, more and more will continue to move to 4 stroke. 
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