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Driver doesn't even have to be identified Lots of good reading here, based on my own interactions the SAVE unit guys are well versed in the act, but not so much with most other snow patrol units. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90m44

Watched the Save unit working the Hali area last season double bang non permitted sleds, fail to display evidence of permit and trespassing, I think it came to north of $400 bones with the victim surcharge. They were also zero tolerance with cans, val tag and insurance, so a few were really banged hard. Was told they have added MSVA offences to the easy access data base, get a second hit with a can or any of the other offences, its a summons to court for them to explain to a judge why they felt it was ok to reoffend.

Jesus, that made me laugh so hard I freaked the dog out Rick

It's been pushed extremely hard since the inception of Bill 101 back in the late 90's early 00's making the permit an instrument of the province (MTO), making trail and MSVA related offences provincial offences. We have to be realistic in our expectations of enforcement for a basically 30,000+km private pay per use trail system used by approx 80 to100,000 permit buyers. Ontario currently has a population of 15 million people, it's pretty likely that 14,800,000 give or take don't even know snowmobile trails exist, let alone have an enforcement issue, or give a rats ass about it. Sad but that's what we truly are dealing with, police have much much bigger enforcement issue to deal with in the grand scheme of things. As said before, sledding is in desperate need of a culture change, we need the 95% of the 80 to 100,000 permit buyers to help set that culture change. Which is tough when your dealing with outright disrespectful self entitled people that only care about themselves. Like I said the other day, everyone got a trophy and here we are .........

What was once a remote unplugged rustic and backwoodsy adventure, is now a daily/nightly full blown Kid Rock concert with the Jackass crew opening up.

We stopped heading up there once it became touristy, it just wasn't the same anymore.

Super cold temps for well over a week and now huge snow in southern, central and eastern Ontario, the Karma bus is hitting Basecamp at full speed lol

Just saw this in one of the Basecamp posts on FB

I get it Stoney, I only highlighted to use it as a door opener to lead into my reply lol The situation really sucks, it's too bad it's come to this. They at least could try and be discrete and try and tone it down a tad. They seem to carry it like an honor badge.

For sure not what's needed in that sit down. Basecamp needs to step away and hire some outside people to run things up there that will run it like a proper business and not the white trash redneck wild west crap show it is, or sell it off to someone that will. Just read some of the peoples posts over the past years since they took over from Bill, and look at some of pic's from some of the riders that go up there. There's a reply in of their own posts with a pic from 2 days ago of 4 inside at Base camp, one has a red solo cup, another with a Coors in hand, none of the 4 wearing masks, no matter ones bias with covid, it's no way to run a business, especially one that's a lifeline service in a remote area. Zero covid protocol, no liquor license/smart serve. I know if I had a vote on PBR's board I honestly wouldn't stick my neck out and vote to leave that trail open with that crap being allowed to continue the way it has been. Aside from the obvious risks to riders, lots of big liabilities with stuff like this being out in the open for any lawyer to pluck away at. No club/volunteer should ever have to deal with a burden like this.

Super crappy to hear Scott, hopefully a solution presents it's self to keep you in the game this season. So many scumbags out there

The MSVA applies to anywhere public including lakes, crown and municipal land, and on private land where the public is invited to ride by fee, and/or if enforcement is requested by the land owner, however on roads and hwy's it's up to the discretion of the officer to enforce under the HTA or MSVA. I was made aware of this from ride alongs with Sean (ODot1)

If you're talking about Quebec we'd need to see huge legislative changes, here volunteers, landowners, clubs the OFSC and birds that fly over trails can be sued, Sure we win just about every single time, but in order to do that there is a huge cost burden, which Quebec doesn't have with their lawsuit protection legislation. The OFSC and every other none profit in Ontario has lobbied for it for as long as I can remember, our legal system isn't budging on it. Quebec is much different culturally especially when it comes to sledding, but they also have a lot of the same issues. Sometimes the only solution to a problem has to come from within the problem itself ........ I think we'd start to see changes if real sledders started to really care and really started applying constant pressure to the asshats, rather then turning a blind eye waiting for a band of sledding superhero's to show up and do something.

Some things to ponder within the scope of some of what's been discussed in this thread. The me me me generation is only getting worse, respect for one another for the most part is gone, not just in sledding. Everyone got a trophy whether they put forth an effort or not, so here we are ........... 30,000 km of trail in the province each trail with multiple access points - if trail closed signs were put up and removed at every access point each time a trail opened and closed throughout the season what would cost of the signs and logistics be, and how many volunteer hours would it take each time ? Also what kind of liabilities would it open if the odd sign here and there was missed if this was the standard practice ? Mid to late 40's Ted and Alice just want to help their community and volunteer with their local sled club because it's their way of giving back through something they enjoy in their spare time. How much training and legal protection can you feasibly give to them to be effect Trail Patrol, and most importantly at the same time keep them from harms way ? Last season a group of 6 of us were trailside on a rail trail at an open area at a road crossing, checking permits and chatting with riders that stopped because they wanted to stop and chat. 90% of the riders were totally awesome just out riding and enjoying the day, posing for pic's for the clubs FB page, and also taking pic's themselves, very receptive to us being out there. We also helped a couple with a mechanical problem and saved their day. After about an hour or so a group of 4 guys came up upon us at an overly high rate of speed fast enough that their stopping was uncontrolled, almost clipping some of us and others pulled well off the trail. When we and some of the others that were at the stop tried to confront them while they made their stop at the road crossing, they were belligerent and extremely aggressive, one guy actually got off his sled and starting flexing and chirping off to everyone there. Pic's were taken and OPP were called and description and reg numbers were given, there was a snow unit out in the area, but never heard back from them, so figure they never saw them. This wasn't the first time something like this has happened to our group. I like most other volunteers I just want to ride and volunteer to make sure we have trails and to help better my community. I deal with aggressive scumbags at work all the time and have a decent amount of confrontation de-escalation, self defense and tactical training, and I honestly no longer feel safe out there doing trail patrol in the bush with sketchy cell service, and certainly don't want to have to deal with that crap while volunteering. I don't know the solution, but do feel the only thing that will save this sport (and mankind in general) is a shift in the attitude of the select ME ME ME few. No matter how much the fines are, or if the OPP put 10-20x the amount of man power out there it will never be enough to stop the self entitled a-hos. Change has to come within the sport, like Zozo said, people have to stop doing things like riding with people with unpermitted sleds. Also take it a few steps further, not riding with people that ride with cans, or riders riding beyond their talent.... ect

He was more concerned with getting stuck with a 21 after the season has ended, without even being able to hit the trails till the 22s are already out lol

My son got the call on Friday that his 21 Can Am Commander XTP was in and would be ready to be picked up this week, was supposed to be in early to mid May. Dealer said if you don't want it we'll refund your deposit and have a customer that will deliver $2500 cash in person to you to take your unit. The guy is meeting up with my son this week, likely already has. My son told them to keep the deposit and roll it into a 22 XTP for spring delivery. He's already had similar offers on his Mach that's apparently in and awaiting DESS and gage, but he's keeping that. He held onto his 19 Freeride till the Mach's in his hands just in case, if all goes well he'll do good selling that within the next few weeks since he bought it pre covid.

Good stuff brother 🍻 Stretch picked up his 22 850 Renny complete from Harpers last week. My young lad was told his Mach will be in late Nov early Dec from Bennetts. Took a ride in the buggy up the trail to Hali yesterday. 90000 tons of fresh material graded all the way from HJ right into Hali, the swamp above the pond causeway is high, really high, level with the trail with run off going across the trail in one spot, doesn't look like a culvert will help.

Sadly for most part I doubt most if any that ride off trail legally now would go out of their way for legal off trail access. They simply just don't care about anyone or anything other than themselves and have zero respect for others. There was a time when a land owner, other sledders and or as once called trail wardens could cuff a guy across the helmet a few times and tell him to smarten up without legal issues.

No issues playing with house hold wiring, but when it comes to soldering little wires on circuit boards I'm out, plus my meat hooks really are not designed for small stuff lol

No idea ? don't want to fry the mother board poking around with it without knowing exactly what I'm doing.

No no relation, just a nick name given to me from my chums eons ago lol

I just want to be able to remotely light it to pre heat the garage before we head up for the weekend. I have a buddy that comes and hits the button Thursdays or Fridays during the season when were heading up. But would like to not depend on others, and in case he's away. They have igniting rods/elements behind the burn box with a little 1/4 inch hole, hit the start button and the pellets start to drop and the element heats up good and hot and ignites the pellets, once the fire starts and the fire box hits a certain temp the element turns off. If you scroll back and read my first post in the thread it explains why we use them and somewhat of a cost break down. They fit the bill perfect for us, I find the cost to be more than reasonable and it's such nice heat. I ran wood stoves for over 30 years at home and the cottage and am done with cutting and splitting and the mess. Worst case now is the odd stray pellet hitting the floor when filling the hoppers lol

It's self igniting but have to manually touch the on button, been running pellet stoves without issue for years, never had any problems leaving them running on their own while out riding for 8 -10 hours or over night while were sleeping. Both our garage and in the cottage stoves have sealed hoppers and also have safe guards so they can't run away burn up the auger into the hopper. Both are also vented out and above the roof line to pull a draft if the power goes out, so they wont smoke the cottage or garage out before they burn out. The Enviro pellet unit in cottage could run off a wifi plug and it will light by just supplying power with presetting the controls, due to being a none computerized control panel, but no need since we keep the cottage at 58 with the propane furnace when not there. But no such luck with the garage unit. We have been considering swapping them but the England in the garage is an industrial look unit and the Enviro in the cottage is a bigger BTU unit, and fits the look inside better, and is a lot quieter.

So was finally able to play with the garage pellet stove and thermostat set up last night and this morning. So far I'm SOL for remote start via the thermostat being kicked on and off. When hooked to a thermostat it wont cycle on and off when the thermostat is turned on and off, and with the thermostat turned down to 60* it will stay running at the lowest burn rate, even if it's exciding 60* in the garage. Talked to a couple England Stove dealers and as figured no one wants to discuss a pellet stove remote igniting with no one there, even though all the safe guards will prevent any over burn or snuffing out issues, just as it would with leaving it on when no ones home, or over night when sleeping, which they are designed to do.

Agreed 100% It's shitty that the boat license "authority" folks saw the chance to make a buck and sold our government on a pitch that it should also be on line. Forced hand we certainly didn't want. IMO the only good that has come with the on line driver training is that it served many kids and parents well last season with the Covid issues we've been facing, and for kids that live out of reasonable reach of a course. There would have been over 2500 kids last season that would of been SOL otherwise.