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Big Pete last won the day on December 6 2017

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  • Location
    Cornwall, Ont
  • Main Riding Area
    District 1
  • Club
    Riverside Snowmobile
  • Sled
    16 Viper LTX-DX, 07 Phazer FX
  • Previous and/or Other Sleds
    02 Venture 700
  • 16/17 Mileage
    1600
  • 15/16 Mileage
    1100
  • 14/15 Mileage
    2800
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    3800
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    2500
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    2000
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    1800
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  1. Slomo, this is what that trail looks like today.
  2. OFSC On-line Map Working? Is it just Me?

    02sled, the real problem is there is no contingency or back up plan. Just like the on-line permit system, if it fails there is nothing. No old system to go back to. Not even a contingency plan to have clubs/districts provide trail status via websites or FB. You have to wonder about liability issues when your only trail status tool does not work.
  3. How bad did the weather hurt your area ??

    Sorry Zoso, it wasn’t you. Grabbed the wrong quote.
  4. How bad did the weather hurt your area ??

    Zoso, this is the Riverside trail you rode a couple of weeks ago. Not pretty in Eastern Ontario.
  5. Lake of Bays ATV Club is officially offside

    Have been doing some background reading on the MSVA and the Public Lands Act. The MSVA stipulates that a permit is required on a "Prescribed Trail". And there is a regulation on what constitutes a prescribed trail (signage etc). The Minister of Transportation can designate a trail as a prescribed trail even if it is on crown land. So does this override the Public Lands Act? The Public Lands Act (administered by MNRF) allows for land use permits. From the Public Lands Act: Subject to any terms and conditions that are consistent with the Act and the regulations, (a) a district manager or his or her delegate may issue, in respect of public lands in the administrative district administered by the manager, a land use permit permitting the holder to occupy the public lands described in the permit for the purposes stated in it; (b) the Manager, Land Management Section, may issue, in respect of public lands situated in two or more administrative districts, a land use permit permitting the holder to occupy the public lands described in the permit for the purposes stated in it. O. Reg. 417/07, s. 1. 2. A land use permit shall be in the form furnished by the Ministry. R.R.O. 1990, Reg. 973, s. 2. So how did the problem of not issuing a land use permit get started? Was this some low level bureaucrat making an arbitrary decision? Have this ever been escalated to the Ministerial level? I would think there is ample argument for a land use permit for a "Prescribed Trail". The more I look at this, the more contradictions I seem to run into. It would appear that there is very little coordination between the Ministry of Transportation, Ministry of Tourism and the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forests. And the solution certainly does not lie with a local club or district. This situation needs a provincial voice at Queens Park.
  6. Lake of Bays ATV Club is officially offside

    Surely the OFSC has some influence with the provincial govt. Were the Top Trails not designated as Trails of Distinction by the Tourism Ministry? What if a call was placed to the Minister to the effect we want exclusive right to our groomed trails on crown land. Not the whole logging road but say a 15-20 ft groomed section. In the bush it would be the staked trail. We could be urging the minister to require an occupancy agreement for any organization that is selling a “permit” to access a trail on crown land. The occupancy permit would allow the organization to enforce its trail rights. Whether they be snowmobilers, ATVers, 4X4 trucks. The problem seems to have stemmed from a change change at MNRF whereby they do not enter into LUPs anymore. So is there some leverage to be had via the Tourism Ministry. Have we even approached them? it appears our illustrious Premier has Ministry working against one another. Surely there is some common ground to keep everybody somewhat happy both at the local and provincial level. But if nobody is lobbying then the situation just gets worse.
  7. Sneak Peek Show 2018

    The 2018 Sneak Peek Show date’s have just been announced. Kanata, ON - March 13 and 14 Barrie, ON- March 23 and 24 and Arctic Cat has rejoined the show this year.
  8. Grooming funds....

    From MPD-002 Membership 1.OFSCClass“A”Membership 1.1. EligibilityforClass“A”Membership REVISION Issue Date: July 2015 To be eligible for Class “A” Membership with the OFSC, an organization must meet and maintain the following requirements: 1.1.1. Be a not-for-profit organization (club) incorporated under the laws of the province of Ontario with objectives primarily related to snowmobiling OR be a not for profit association consisting of two or more snowmobile clubs from the same OFSC District with objectives primarily related to snowmobiling. 1.1.2. Pay the annual member organization fee(s) and any other required fees established by the OFSC Board. 1.1.3. Sell a minimum of fifty (50) Seasonal and/or Classic snowmobile trail permits annually OR be an active member of an association which sells snowmobile trail permits and who's average sales per club meets the minimum requirements. 1.1.4. Be directly involved in the building, maintenance and/or grooming of OFSC prescribed trails OR be an active member of an association which builds, maintains and/or grooms OFSC prescribed trails which are located in the province of Ontario. 1.1.5. Have and adhere to a written Health and Safety Policy, approved their individual membership and provide confirmation that the club has initiated a Health and Safety program. 1.1.6. Have and adhere to a written Alcohol Policy, approved their individual membership. 1.2. BenefitsofClass“A”Membership (Clubs/Chapters/Associations) OFSC Class “A” Members are entitled to the following member benefits: 1.2.1. Two (2) votes on each question at any special or general meeting of the membership subject to the provisions and process contained in the OFSC Bylaws. 1.2.2. Access to sell snowmobile trail permits at the price approved by the provincial government (Ministry of Transportation). 1.2.3. Participate in the general liability insurance coverage program as well as all other insurance coverages as applicable. 1.2.4. Participate in current OFSC programs including all internal and external funding as applicable. 2. OFSCClass“B”Membership:LifetimeMemberships 2.1. EligibilityforClass“B”Membership 2.1.2.1.Demonstrated long term and exceptional contribution to the OFSC including but not limited to provincial programs; 2.1.2.2. Long term service on any standing OFSC Committee when that service had measurable impact that contributed significantly towards initiatives of that Committee; 2.1.2.3. Long term service as an OFSC Governor or Executive member when that service had measurable impact that contributed significantly to initiatives of the OFSC Board or organization; 2.1.2.4.Long term service as an OFSC staff member when that service had measurable impact that contributed significantly to the organization and that staff member demonstrated continuous and positive dedication to the OFSC that resulted in better relations between staff and volunteers; 2.1.2.5.A minimum of ten (10) years will be considered to be “long term service” 2.1.3. OFSC Class “B” Members have no voting privileges. 2.2.1. As an OFSC Class “B” Member, an individual is entitle to: 2.2.1.1. Recognition of achievement through the issuance of a certificate and/or plaque 2.2.1.2. Annual issuance of a Social Membership card (at no fee) 2.2.1.3 OFSC member benefits listed annual on the OFSC website (Rider Advantage Program) 3.1. EligibilityforClass“C”Membership (Individual Trail Permit Holders) 3.1.1. Any individual purchasing a Full Season Trail Permit, and signing the accompanying “OFSC Requirements and Trail Use Information Form” is considered an OFSC Class “C” Member. 3.1.2. Membership expires annually on May 31st. 3.1.3. OFSC Class “C” Members have no voting privileges. 3.2. BenefitsofClass“C”Membership 3.2.1. OFSC member benefits listed annual on the OFSC website (Rider Advantage Program) OFSCClass“D”Membership:SocialMemberships 4.1. EligibilityforClass“D”Membership 4.1.1. Members in good standing of a Class “A” Member Organization that pay an annual membership fee, as established by the OFSC Board, may be granted Class “D” Social Members. 4.1.2. OFSC Class “D” Members have no voting privileges. 4.2. BenefitsofClass“D”Membership 4.2.1. As an OFSC Class “D” Member, an individual is entitle to: 4.2.1.1. Issuance of a Social Membership card 4.2.1.2. OFSC member benefits listed annual on the OFSC website (Rider Advantage Program) OFSCClass“E”Membership:BusinessMembers 5.1. EligibilityforClass“E”Membership 5.1.1. Any business or organization that has signed a contract with the OFSC, in accordance with established OFSC policies and procedures approved by the OFSC Board, may be granted Class “E” Membership. 5.1.2. Class “E” Members shall not be eligible to vote.
  9. New Case IH groomers are heavy!

    I will correct my statement in so far as the period for grooming hours extends to April 30 each year. This is the BoG motion which was approved in 2016 (not 2015 as I earlier stated) "Motion by Tom Sheppard, seconded by Ken Stonley. Be it resolved that: the board approve that only grooming hours measured via GPS units during the months of December 1 to April 30 will be used in the calculation for equalization. Motion carried under B16-049." Just noticed another problem. The final EQ payment is set for Mar 31. How would you include any April hours in a calculation that is being done March 31, . based on actual hours groomed. I don't make this $h!t up.
  10. New Case IH groomers are heavy!

    Matt17 you are partially correct. If a club is using the industrial groomrer to pack and open trails and the assigned gps unit is active those hours are included in the EQ funding calculation at a rate of $58. Per hr this season. The caveat is when those hours occurred. There is a not so well know caveat in the EQ formula, which was passed by the BoG in 2015, which states that only hours recorded between Dec 1 and Mar 31 will be counted for funding. Now I have been following the PBR Club, which I believe is D-15, on Facebook since November. As I read their FB postings they had Groomers rolling since mid November and logging significant hours. And while I applaud the effort to get an early start, I hope they understood those hours are not being compensated for in EQ funding. Therefore they have to fund that work from other sources. If getting trails packed prior to Dec 1 is a priority, then maybe the use of other smaller/lighter equipment might be a more cost effective method with a lower risk of getting something stuck/sunk.
  11. Slomo, thanks for the review. I will pass your comments to my club (Riverside) and our District Manager re the trail loops. If you need any help regarding trail info, our District Office is located in The MacIntosh Inn, suite 229. Use the east entrance at the top of the stairs. Look for John Boals. Denis, embrun would be more North from Iroquois/Morrisburg. As for our season, we have opened before New Years in 3 of the last 7 years and would generally have 10-12 weeks riding (except for the last 3) contrary to your not often remark.
  12. Grooming funds....

    Blake, have to disagree. The 100,000 odd permit buyers are members. They are Class C Members and while they don’t have voting rights they are still members and should be treated as such. We have contact info including email addresses for everyone of them. What if the OFSC put the Annual Report on the website and sent the link to every member. Virtually no cost to give access to every member. And as an aside, if the new NFP legislation is ever enacted there will be situations where non-voting members will get to vote. So don’t discount them too heavily.
  13. Grooming funds....

    Brian, thank you for the kind words but I am not s CPA but I do have extensive experience in finance having spent the last 35 years with a major FI in commercial lending and in divisional finance department. I know my way around a set of financial statements. Like the OP, I too have concerns about the system running out of money before we run out of snow. There have been many comments about the surpluses from previous seasons being available this year. What most seem to miss is that the BoG transferred those surplus funds to the groomer replacement to fund the new groomers over the last 3 seasons. If memory serves me correctly those transfer have totalled more than $10 million. The EQ fund has a surplus of $750k in it right now. That’s about 13,000 hrs at the current rate of $58/hr. What people have forgotten is that this scenario has already been played out. In the first year of FFC the whole province had a great season. In fact the province groomed about 125% of the 4 yr average. Because there was no reserve at that time the OFSC reduced the rates paid for trails and grooming quite significantly. So while you might have planned on getting $58/hr this year it has the real possibility of being significantly less. How much less we will not know until Msrch 31 when the final reconciliation is done. So I hope clubs/districts have some working capital in reserves just in case. couple of common misconceptions. Clubs do not receive permit money directly. Under MOTS all the permit money goes to the District. Even the 10% direct permit sales. It’s the District that decides how operations are funded. They can decide to fund operations based on the clubs contributions based on permit sales, trails, and grooming hours or they can come up with system that has no bearing permit sales by club. The only reason permit sales are tracked at club level is for OFSC membership eligibility (still based on minimum 50 permits). A simple change to the membership criteria could eliminate the whole “pick a club” nonsense in the permit system. A permit buyer could simply sign in and buy an Ontario Permit. As long as the permit is sold it should not matter where it is sold. Permit sales have nothing to do with Groomer fleet size, allocation to districts or replacement. If there is a place for more transparency and openness it is this area. As I understand the “new” criteria the replacement criteria is 5,000 hrs and/or 16 yrs old. It gets complicated because there is now a cascading feature in that if your District is putting more than approx 300 hours per year on a groomer you are effectively consuming it too quickly. The solution is to cascade that unit after a few years to a district that would groom less than the 300 hours per year. That way you end up meeting the 5000 hr/16 yr average. But here’s the problem. It took about 3 minutes to figure out that if you want new groomers you need to groom a minimum of 300-350 hrs per year per groomer. I have heard stories of groomer operators being told to groom even though conditions do not warrant a grooming run (groom in the rain, groom smooth trails just get your hours in). I just don’t see how this system promotes efficiency. As to finacial reporting to members or permit buyers we need to do a better job. I am my clubs treasurer. I report st every meeting as to the balance sheet and income statement along with cheque registers and bank statements. Any member is welcome to a copy. At Our AGM everybody in attendance gets a copy of the year end financial statements. I use the Standard OFSC accounting model with all the detail shown in the Ops Report. And it’s a year over year comparative report. What i I would like to see is a similar format used by the New York State Association. The annual report of the state Association contained a brief out line of each club, its vital statistics (miles of trails, hours groomed, permits sold) along with a summary financial report. No secrets, no speculation. It’s all on the table. If we were to adopt a similar presentation I think it would put us in a better position to show permit buyers were the money goes, how under funded the system really is and why permit prices need to go up.
  14. Grooming funds....

    Zoso, could not agree more on the open and transparent flow of information. The problem as I see it is that the bulk of the money is spent at club level and each club would need to report. Having worked at the District level I am amazed at the difference in cost per km for trails and cost per hour of grooming even when you account for paid vs volunteer operators. A few years back I saw the annual report from the New York State Association. That report contained a brief report from each club along with summary financials. That kind of reporting would go along way to answering member questions.
  15. Trail Questions (from a Newbie)

    Welcome to the forum. And great questions. Here is my 2 cents. I always make make a habit of riding on the right even when I can see the trail is clear and sight lines are good. I tend to think the sides are less whooped out that the centre anyway. Only go go as fast as you are comfortable with and conditions permit. People following have the onus on them to pass when safe. From an etiquette view the mirrors are almost a must have. Check regularly and if riders are close behind pull over and let them by. As for speed, you need to be in complete control of your sled at all times and expect the unexpected. If that’s 30-40-50 kph so be it. Enjoy your season.
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