Spiderman

Blatantly ignoring a "well known" problem - resulting in numerous failures and customers left holding the bag = class action and punitive damages. There are many reasons for "problems"

Looking at either vehicle inside or outside there is 0 difference. Interior space is exactly the same. I can’t speak to under the hood. I haven’t popped both beside each other to look, but I wouldn’t care anyway. You give up nothing on this model. Normal daily driving the mileage is better, that I can tell you. drive hard, tow, or higher than 100k highway speeds, you aren’t saving anything.

0, you'd never know the difference between mine and a non hybrid - they're identical on the inside and outside My neighbor has the exact same vehicle - non hybrid model - can't tell

That is what I have. I will admit it works VERY well - and IMO - is the absolute perfect/best of both worlds and nothing more than that is needed to save all of us from melting, or freezing, whichever the climate changers tell us will happen

They are willing to pay whatever it takes - vs sleeping in tents on the street. That is the point People are "willing" out of necessity to pay double what they should be because there is NOTHING else available. Our government had a very heavy hand in helping create that particular portion of the situation

The problem is widespread and has many factors: It's not just one thing, that's for sure. That said, the Feds do however have a big hand in it on the immigration policy. When you allow insane immigration numbers into the country - you have to house those people. There is only so much housing and demand has exceeded available housing - which naturally pushes values/costs upward. It is a very easy problem to solve. Canada right now is exactly like my work - our work feels we need to keep growing ( profit of course ) but there is no organic growth left - our only growth is through acquisition/consumption.

Everyone laughs at us these days. Our hubris gets in the way of reality

Geez, go to a big truck show! things change and everything dies. That's how it goes

The way I see it is that the only way to get new or more people involved is through us. That’s it. i just don’t see someone completely removed and ignorant to it seeing a sled go by and going out to get one. Anyone I have taken out has enjoyed it, but they don’t have cottages, and the cost to get in are just too much. You can suggest buying a cheap older sled, but most don’t want that, and most have 0 ability to turn a wrench and fix what they can. it’s a different landscape. Adapt or die

I’m not. That would be wishing for it to happen, What I am being is not surprised I am in your boat. i want to see it all thrive and last forever

more to come too.

Well, in 10 years, there won’t be anything to work on except to change a battery!

I'm actually surprised people wouldn't want to work on older bikes - wouldn't those be actual "mechanics" - not part changers? Easier to work on too?

Yup, saw Dover turnout was strong.

There is, and in today’s world, anyone not new or not owning their buildings in an impossible situation. Harley like to force units too.

Sled dealers are okay though? https://lfpress.com/business/local-business/rockys-harley-davidson-set-to-close-ending-70-year-ride-in-london

https://powersportsbusiness.com/news/brp/2025/06/03/brp-reports-first-quarter-financial-results/#:~:text=BRP released its first-quarter,inventory levels in seasonal products. Even the almighty are feeling things somewhat. Reducing inventory...... - reducing prices will help reduce inventory

Don’t expect it to grow either, unless your plan is turn sled trails into e-bike trails.

Why would the MTO care what the price is.

The OFSC hand clubs have done absolutely everything they can to drive new ridership. overall costs and lousy weather are working against it. I have taken 10 plus friends sledding for the 1st time. not oneof them has bought a sled, and isn’t because they didn’t enjoy it. cost and time are the factors

yes, but the point being, not everyone is like you or willing to do what needs to be done to go riding, its easier to say screw it than put a little effort into it. You have to LOVE sledding to be in it and stay in it these days, liking it isn't enough anymore. As soon as you complicate things, there are a lot of people that will just say forget it.

So when you're primary source of revenue is permit generated, and that number continues to decline, while operating expenses go up, it stands to reason why there is nothing left to dole out to clubs in need, and more precisely, when in need...... This particular club needs funds now - it may not exist. OFSC have funds when permits are purchased - i.e. fall/winter. Money is spent No easy answer here other than to try and grow the membership, while trying to lower/shed expenses. all easier said than done, while following along with whatever other rules and restrictions are in place for the OFSC based on their operations.

So the good news is - the OFSC are not paying for enforcement - it's already being done. The bad news is - enforcement is primarily related to other offences - and not really permit related, and if permit related, the OFSC and member clubs don't see a dime of any fine levied for a permit infraction.

I do think you are right in questioning what people who complain about the cost of a permit actually do with their spare time. I honestly can’t think of anything cheaper. My mens league hockey costs $625.00 for winter, $525 for summer. Thats a once a week outlet. my kids single hockey stick is $425.00. He went through 9 this season, 4 were warranty replacements, but I paid for 5. I get the OFSC needing to keep it as low as possible, but people need to be realistic with what they are getting and have a better understanding of where that money goes.

Is OPP sled patrol part of their paid duty? Or considered “extra”? Also, does the oFSC see any of the trespass ticket revenue? Or does that go to the same place HTA violation fines go?