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Sharing as this can be useful to those looking at QC for the first time or looking for ideas.
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4 hours ago, snowman said:
Ordered one on the last day, received this email a day or so ago....
Your trail permit without insurance transaction has been validated by the Quebec Federation of Snowmobile Clubs . You can expect a delay of 21 days maximum before receiving your trail permit by mail. Thank you for your purchase and have a great snowmobiling season.Wonder if buying permit with or without QC insurance effects processing time.
I thought you had no choice and ins was included that you could apply to get credited afterwards based on living out of province.
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On 11/6/2024 at 12:24 PM, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:
I ordered one permit on the 20th and received it quickly. I ordered a second permit on the evening of the 30th and have received shipping confirmation.
The difference in the permit #'s indicate they processed 20,418 between my 2 orders and that they had sold more than 31,000 permits before the end of the early order period.
Bought mine on the 31st at around noon and number is 37775.
for ref, below are number from last couple of years.....but 2024 did not start at 0....
- 2023 permit ordered Oct 27, 2022 - permit number was 34,525
- 2024 permit ordered Oct 27, 2023 - permit number is 36,632
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49 minutes ago, signfan said:
Anyone order Quebec permits at the deadline? Have you seen them yet? Only thing I'm missing.
I thought @Nunz ordered QC permits and I was talking to a buddy the other day who said he ordered QC permits before the earlybird dead line (Oct 31), but nothing in hand yet.
I am also thinking @scottyr would have ordered QC permit as well.
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Received my paperwork/notification from TD for the next year and sled is status quo for another year.
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1 hour ago, Yukon said:
This was studied a year ago and reevaluated to 6 billion.
I am not sure if this is included in public marketing. However it is widely used from club, District and Provincial levels as a marketing tool towards public, private stakeholders and landowner relations.
There was a media release for it!
Ya, I saw the dates and quickly looked at the report from 2023.
Internally shared is great, plus being able to point people to the study is a great tool as well.
2022-2023 At A Glance
- Snowmobiling-related Economic Activity for Ontario: $3B – $6B Annually
- Expenditures by OFSC Snowmobile Trail Riders: $1.48 Billion
- Full Time Jobs Supported by OFSC Snowmobile Trails: 9,307
- Taxes Generated by OFSC Snowmobile Trails: $538 Million
(Barrie, ON. November 9, 2023) – The Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs (OFSC) has released a new study, “The Economic Impact of Snowmobile Trails in Ontario”, based on expenditure data from the 2022-2023 season. This 2023 report clearly shows that the provincial network of over 30,000 kilometres of OFSC Prescribed Snowmobile Trails is Ontario’s most valuable recreational trail network and a key pillar of our winter tourism economy. As a volunteer-led, not-for-profit association with 181 member organizations, the OFSC manages these premier snowmobile trails, which connect snowbelt communities while providing safe, enjoyable, and environmentally sustainable riding experiences for Ontarians.
The new study found that in the 2022-2023 season, expenditures by snowmobilers riding OFSC snowmobile trails increased to $1.48 billion, up from $843 million in 2019. In turn, these 2022-2023 expenditures resulted in an estimated $3 billion of snowmobiling-related economic activity for Ontario. Meanwhile, snowmobile trails directly supported 9,307 full time jobs in 2022-2023, while generating $538 million in taxes across three levels of government: $239 million in federal taxes, $258 million in provincial taxes, and $41 million in municipal taxes.
Despite low snow conditions in some locations last winter, the $3 billion of 2022-2023 economic activity is almost double that reported in two previous studies: $1.6 billion in 2019 and $1.7 billion in 2014. Therefore, the new study estimates that OFSC snowmobile trails have the potential to generate a total annual economic impact of between $3 billion and $6 billion in any given season, dependent on factors such as weather. For the first time, the study also assessed the total monetary value that OFSC snowmobile club volunteers contribute to Ontario’s economy as more than $16.4 million annually.
“This study reaffirms our position that Ontario’s winter tourism economy runs on snowmobiling,” said Ryan Eickmeier, OFSC CEO. “The economic impact of our snowmobile trails is especially important to rural and northern Ontario, and the contributions our volunteers make each and every year is truly remarkable. ”
The OFSC retained Harry Cummings & Associates (HCA) Ltd to assess the impact of snowmobile trails during the winter of 2022-23, using the Ontario Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Sport’s Tourism Regional Economic Impact Model (TREIM). This study is an update to others conducted by HCA in 2014 and 2019, and also includes a breakdown of economic impact numbers for each of the OFSC’s 16 districts.
A copy of the new report can be found here: 2022-2023 Economic Impact Study
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1 hour ago, skidooboy said:
Ordered our permits the 25th, received the email confirming the order but, have not received the email that they were shipped. We havent been to the house in Dub to check the mailbox since ordering. Did anyone get their permits, with no shipping confirmation email? Thanks in advance. Ski
1 hour ago, Domino said:I also ordered on the 25th. No notice of shipping, No permits as of yet.
For me I ordered on the 31st and other than a confirmation email, nothing else yet......but that was just 2 business days ago.
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23 hours ago, Yukon said:
This is where I would expect to find the info???
Publicly accessible?
Awesome - thanks, Paul!
I went to the website to see where it was or could be found vs. your link and I see it’s an embedded link under another article, “in the news”.
Do you happen to know if this is something they include on radio or other forms of advertizing to get info out there to the people who wouldn’t navigate the OFSC site to find or locate these details?
Pretty big gap in financial impacts that it has, 3 to 6 billion - that is surprising there is that large a delta year over year.
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1 hour ago, Yukon said:
6 Billion dollars in economic impact for Ontario!
Lol, I knew it was a large number that until you bring it to light, it’s not taken as seriously as it should be.
I mentioned this before, but making this number more easily publicly accessible/visible and a breakdown where the numbers come from would shed a massive positive light on this sport! -
1 hour ago, Spiderman said:
So essentially nothing.
Amazing
How much is that figure again that sledders add to the economy, tax base, etc.... - I thought I recall there was a member last year that said this was recently brought up as a focal point.
1 Mil really would be a small drop in the bucket....
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4 hours ago, Strong Farmer said:
I like to see more shared trails between atv's and sleds where government owns or controls the land via an easement and no one can pull it away.
4 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:So its OK with you if the government takes some of your farmland for this purpose.
Who owns all the ATV trails in the province that are shared between the two sports now?
I thought it was crown land, maybe some is private - if private, you bring up government trying to control that, say bye bye to that land use.....that was a huge issue a few years ago when we saw all those sign about "hands off our land".
For crown land, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but if a sled trail runs on that, can anyone technically use it without needing to follow the OFSC guidelines during the sledding season or once OFSC gets approval for use of that land during the season, they become the caretaker/owner of it for the sledding season and the OFSC rules need to be followed/enforced?
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Isn't Hay Days the biggest sledding event or one of them that is full of small vendors, big vendors, manufactures, dealers, grass drags, etc.....
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1 hour ago, 04nightfire said:
Rumor has it BRP paid 80-100k for their space
Seems crazy, but considering location, is it….
Large corps can swallow that, small biz cannot and that is what sledding was about, but not so much anymore.
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5 hours ago, grover_yyz said:
Love the Peterborough show. 30 min drive, no 401 and outdoor vintage and newer "yard sale" of related sledding parts.
Jerry
Maybe they need to move the Toronto show to say Barrie - rejuvenate things!
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5 hours ago, Spiderman said:
I was in Dollar Tree on Saturday, the lady being trained on the cash had to be 80+ - my wife actually said to me that she hoped she was there for something to do, and not because she needed to be there. I said let's hope that is never either of one of us.
For me, any one that I know that has retired still doing work and I have talked to them about it, they say they are doing it for the people aspect and keeping busy.....would they say it was because they needed the money, not sure.
My dad when he retired within a few years picked up a part time job at a local rental shop doing small repairs, maintenance, sales, etc....for him it was just that, get out and see people, keep busy, etc.....
But I have no doubt there are some that need to do it to get by as well.
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55 minutes ago, UsedtoSkidoo said:
I think we should give more money to ukraine and gender identity training in Kenya....................
Screw the seniors What did they ever do for us?
sounds very Liberal.....
and FTR, I agree with your reverse psychology thoughts......
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51 minutes ago, Strong Farmer said:
Yeah middle class is shrinking no doubt. So now you get these two extremes. I heard food bank on verge of collapse soon too.
You hear that often, I think levels are just lower than ever before with the added users, but still not on the verge of closing - plus there seem to be more options for people to use as well than before since people are stepping up to help using other platforms.
5 minutes ago, 95rxl650 said:I know a few pensioners that have had to change their habits drastically. It's sad to see.
This is why part of me agrees with the bloc to increase the amounts for seniors - there are plenty that do just fine that have pensions, investments, etc....., but plenty that are not and need some added help.
The number the bloc recently shared was 4 million Canadian seniors, 1 million in QC, so at least the same in ON, leaving the other 2 million spread across the remaining provinces/territories.
But that would be a very large dollar figure to put out.
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2 hours ago, Spiderman said:
Inflation is a real thing to the non rich.
And some great opportunities for those that are not feeling the negative affects of inflation.
Just look at the wealthiest people and how much their wealth has grown in the last few years.-
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1 hour ago, RAMSOMAIR said:
The economic impact of snowmobiling is huge. Ont govt needs to have more skin in the game.
Agreed and yes they do.
32 minutes ago, Spiderman said:We need to move past the we need to be like Quebec ideology.
It simply can’t be done without substantial changes to laws and a complete reform and overhaul of how insurance is administered and the laws that go along with it.
Snowmobiling in Ontario is not big enough to affect that kind of sweeping change.
From an insurance and weather stand point, not at all.
But with the support from residents, governments, financial, etc…it could be closer to QC.9 minutes ago, UsedtoSkidoo said:when you run an organization that is a multi-million dollar revenue generating enterprise like one, then you get the respect it deserves. When you don't then it gets swept aside.
I do not know what the OFSC does or does not do to lobby the government for support and in past history the answer seem to always be if you want to know, get involved - not very transparent or good for the sport, imo.
Maybe they are and falls on deaf ears because that’s Ontario for you as an example - rather then remove barriers, we put more up, which sadly is tied to our insurance and provincial law systems…
Of course all the non winter enthusiasts, which Ontario has a lot of, compared to QC, would wine and complain about public money going to the sport which are “a bunch of reckless drunk people” wasting our emergency workers time, even though it’s easily justified from an economic standpoint….and of course that above statement is false! -
Province of QC is very different from ON in many ways.
I don’t think Ontarians could be like Quebecers at all, nor do we have what they have in many ways as well.
But for sure our province could support sledding more, especially in regions that can support the sport more frequently, like the northern parts and not the south, which I think that might cause some issues/conflicts, however the province I’m sure would then deal with criticism from other Ontarians, where in Quebec, they welcome and support it on a much bigger scale.
Keep in mind QC receives the most in equalization payments, pays more tax on all purchases, pays more income tax, etc… -
13 minutes ago, Spiderman said:
Not at all what it used to be.
Don't forget social media stuff too, you don’t have to wait to see things, find deals etc.
there is still a tonne of value in going and vendors to chat with/to, but it will never be like it used to be.
And vendors need to sell a crap load of stuff to make it worth their while to have a footprint at the show after you factor everything in.
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6 hours ago, 95rxl650 said:
No deals on anything I was interested in. Picked up a couple delrin washers for my secondary and had a $7.50 hot dog.
Checked out the classics more than anything and got a sore back walking around. lol
Definitely not the same atmosphere I remember from many years ago. Wont go again.
Nothing to consider or look at for the jacket you were looking for?
Haven’t been in a few years myself, maybe longer than I think it has been.
If I go, it would be more for my son to see it than me at this point.
It and I’d say the snowmobiling community is not what it once was not so long ago.
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2 hours ago, Domino said:
Overall when you look at what it takes to have a trail system, I agree that our permit price is fair. However, when you buy permits and never ride a single meter of OSFC trail, it no longer seems like a good purchase. Like buying $200 snowshoes and never stepping foot in them.
Hopefully we will have a better season this year. The more rules that the OFSC keeps placing on the system that creates costs, takes away from the trail system and discourages the generosity of land owners. We have lost to many trails from disrespectful riders and the fear of liability.
The Quebec system, for a resident, could be seen as cheaper than Ontario when you consider the inclusion of insurance. The QC government supports its to maintain the tourism. Smart!
I’d say steal of a deal.
But when you don’t use it at all, it does create doubts about buying one, I have some doubts this year since I never used mine last year at all, but those doubts are not at all because of the price.
Im sure I’ll buy next week anyways and hope I use it this year…if not, at least I’ve supported the cause.
Although this year I think I’ll not put the permit on my sled until I need to use it so I don’t need to remove it after not even possibly using it through the season.
Should be a tax right off though….lol-
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54 minutes ago, skidooboy said:
I thought there was an AGM thread on here, that said they decided not to raise the permits, after such a dismal winter, and riding season. Ski
I thought permit increase discussions and approvals would have to be done sooner than at the end of the previous season to be in affect since it requires MTO approval, that likely takes a bit of time.
As for an increase this year, not sure why I thought there was…clearly I’m mistaken.
I am a little surprised to hear on this forum people criticize the permit amount…even with the crappy seasons we have had…especially knowing what so many pay for a QC pass, sleds, gas, trucks, trailers, etc….$221 bucks is a small drop in the bucket all things considering.
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Sled prices falling large ?
in Main Clubhouse
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Same news in the automotive world too.
cutting productions, models, staff, etc….
Not just sled or weather related.
I see this as prudent as a business, but still sucks.
Should see another half percent cut from prime early Dec….