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11 hours ago, Strong Farmer said:
I gladly give permission for an ofsc trail if one existed in my area. Permanent easement that hikers, dog walkers etc going to use all year no thank-you.
And that is why shared trails with other users eg ATVs causes pause for private land owners, summer use is assumed by non paying characters.
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1 hour ago, stoney said:
Who owns all the ATV trails in the province that are shared between the two sports now?
I thought it was crown land, maybe some is private - if private, you bring up government trying to control that, say bye bye to that land use.....that was a huge issue a few years ago when we saw all those sign about "hands off our land".
For crown land, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but if a sled trail runs on that, can anyone technically use it without needing to follow the OFSC guidelines during the sledding season or once OFSC gets approval for use of that land during the season, they become the caretaker/owner of it for the sledding season and the OFSC rules need to be followed/enforced?
If you want a bit of an eye opener about what is crown land and what is not see below gov link.... after you agree to terms of link etc layers are ..pale yellow is crown , other colours is private land or native land or park land..... around me here in Echo Bay I have to drive 30 minutes to Thessalon before some consistent crown land.....and north of Sault along highway 17 most contiguous townships are private or park to Wawa, more of that towards Chapleau and even west a bit. And Crown land south of North Bay becomes rare quickly ......so private owner agreements are plentiful all over much of Ontario. https://www.lioapplications.lrc.gov.on.ca/CLUPA/index.html?viewer=CLUPA.CLUPA&locale=en-CA
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1 hour ago, Strong Farmer said:
I see. Lots of it is crown land isn’t it. Just lake access that are private sometimes, ie thru property lots to get access for sledding?
Nope ....even around Sault North to Wawa has much private land, many complete townships are private owned by logging interests. Sault East to Bruce Mines mostly private , ( we have to go east of hwy 638 to hunt deer or birds on crown land )
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Supposedly the Farmers Almanac agrees with that train of thought too. I bet Greta, the Enviro punk, is not happy . ....less speaking tours .
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11 hours ago, signfan said:
How long into April will the STP groomers run if the snow holds?
I think it depends what the landowner use agreements say.
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Considering sadly that snowmachines might be around only one or two more generations after us.....trail change talk might be moot !! ......heck we are already seeing younger generations no longer interested in the " car culture" ......forced on us electric self driving cars 20 yrs from now !! .........boy they will need to pry my gas engine cars, boats, snowmachine and Atv , etc from my dead hands ! !
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On 3/10/2023 at 7:59 PM, skidooboy said:
how about, the funding to make/deem snowmobile trails permanent, so logging/mining, private entities, cannot disrupt them during season, without that entity paying for use, and or rerouting? ESPECIALLY ON CROWN LAND. Our region suffers from this yearly. so much money and man hours wasted when someone decides... we need to use this now, immediately... yeah, we know we told you we didnt need to this year but... I cant imagine just in our area, how much money has been wasted/lost in the last 20 years, to this. Ski
Here is a link to build Ont map of crown land, ( you have to accept terms and then wait for it to load, the colours aren't as vibrant as they should be to help see..) but even north of Sault and east of 17 between the Indian Reserves and Private Land and Parks , see how the leftover crownland is many times deep in bush . ( barely any crownland in Southern Ont) Now add in complex logging rights on crown land, constantly changing hands every few years .......you have a moving target for OFSC to try to make the trails permanent on lands they cannot ever afford to buy , and the existing insurance liabilities to "lease" like now on private. And also not set precedences for permanent use of crown land that other groups would want. ......just being devils advocate of tricky balance act OFSC must do now. https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-use-policy-atlas
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Blue skies yesterday and today here in Echo Bay and Sault area. I guess it stayed south of us here along hwy 17.
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This old map 1957 is for Dan Senior to comment on.
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I forgot about Pier 17 ( and I was born in Blind River ! Raised in Elliot Lake ) thats a great convenient restaurant !
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7 minutes ago, Ox said:
Any Mtn Dew?
Or does yours have added vinegar?
We seem tol roll through your area around 3AM +/-
Hoping for some snow to come soon.
We are hoping to be there first of March, somewhere....
We put vinegar on fries only......and at 3 am , I am snoring or up for my nightly pee !!
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Yes to Bobbers in Bruce Mines, Blind River has a good clean run A+W on hwy 17 across from OPP station. Elliot Lake lost a few places due to covid, but cruise Ontario Ave a few private run restaurants there. Or McDonald's on hwy beside Timmies.
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9 minutes ago, UsedtoSkidoo said:
are you buying? lol!
Always ! My garage is stocked with Sleemans .
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The polarization of society in past three years has even gone so far as dividing families ( including my own) One of the best things this site did was separating those sensitive topics to that Monkey Forum. I am purposely not a member there because when we didn't have it , even though I would say to myself I would ignore or not read certain posts.....I am too passionate ( and well informed
) and would be tempted to read and reply.....so now with it separate in Monkey section, I can avoid easier. So as long as Moderators keep that stuff over in Monkey, I think we all , in the rest of the forums, can get along with other common passions like the outdoor sports , or technical helps , non political jokes.....etc.. so I consider you all people I am confident would be friends if we met in my garage with a beer.
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Took my 8yr old Granddaughter for loop thru my 40 acre Sugar bush this afternoon, she loves to ask about the tracks she sees , ( rabbit, fox, coyote, turkey) and commented on the beauty of all the snow on the branches. ......and its those shared moments that make it worthwhile to keep the 1998 340 cat running another year !
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Excellent!!!
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On 10/29/2022 at 9:05 AM, skidooboy said:
Michigan several years ago bought/leased most of their sled trails land access, to designate them as permanent, to prevent these disruptions. we need to get off the roads in northern ontario, or get the ones we do use, designated to the ofsc, atv, offroad use permanently.
I know several of the back ground players personally, and I am waiting to hear the plans, options. we can all hope but, right now, I would plan on riding a different route, or trailering a bit further to start our adventures. good luck to all involved including the touring riders. Ski
There is some complications to permanent agreements on this land base between Wawa and Sault because not all of it is crown land. I admit I don't know all the weaving thru the various townships the OFSC trails go , but many of the townships east of the rail is private land and the get sold off between American and some Canadian corporations depending on timber values and needs. So getting permanent land use agreements not interrupted by logging or land sales might be one wildcard to this OFSC opportunity . It was probably a lot simpler when all that Land was owned by CNR.....but that changed 15 or 20 yrs ago.
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My God daughter is a commercial/ residential estate appraiser, and was visiting last week , she was saying that a typical new garage build is quoted around $150 a sq ft now, pre covid a garage was $100 sq ft. I am not sure if I can trust her " Timmins Ontario " perspective but scary either way. As for new vehicles dealer inventory.....here in Sault Ste Marie area, the Ford and GM dealer lots are pretty skimpy of trucks, but the Ram Jeep dealer ( dealer is Superior Dodge Ram Jeep ) has all sorts of new Ram trucks. Not sure why.
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There is a roundabout on Hwy 17 going thru Mattawa, its pretty small diameter, I bet trucks hate that one. There is one in North Bay too that is a block or so north behind the Hwy 17 truck Weigh scales. ( I use that roundabout route when I wanted to to avoid the weigh scales.
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Good memories of the Horne Cliffs......When my kids were young our spring hike would be up the skihill then North along the ridge to the top of Horne Cliffs for lunch and pictures across Horne Lake of town from up high.
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It seems that some here are ignoring the posts from Dan Senior, about the unbelievable snow dump that area got. ......and no Armed forces to dig them out like Toronto needed a few years back
......but I agree a team effort from all parties involved might be able to keep future years feasible.
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Eacom changing ownership.... https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/eacom-timber-officially-acquired-by-interfor-5092545
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2 hours ago, J Feces said:
I have said this for years, “it’s not sustainable” as it is currently …make the sled lic a trail permit and every sled in the province would have a permit. Need for enforcement would drop significantly. But this answer is too easy…let the bashing begin.
Okay ,I will start the bashing......reason 1 ) why should the thousands of Northern Ontario snowmachine owners that don't use OFSC trails at all ,( many do not even live close to trails and use crown land instead) pay for people in Southern Ont like yourself to do your sport. The political pushback would be substantial. ...Reason #2 - the lack of control over trail enforcement occurred when the Onrario Government took on more control over the OFSC a few years back, ....having them take complete financial control over the system, with would put non snowmobilers ( politicians) decision control over a complex system that needs expertise not more bureaucracy.
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Sled prices falling large ?
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Natives along North shore of Lake Huron ( actually from Sudbury to Wawa) have all sorts of disposable income when everyone over 18 were each given checks of anywhere between 100 and 200 thousand in Oct 2024. ( treaty payout 10 billion) Heck the car dealers set up new truck models along hwy 17 to entice purchases ( many sold since ! ) I am told ATV sales crazy too . So maybe you south Ont folks should advertise your used sleds in Sudbury, Sault, Manitoulin Media. Just a thought.