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56 minutes ago, zoso said:
No doubt we need a separate offence written into law. That being trespass on ofsc trail. 500 minimum fine would be good. Then we need stop back to be out there handing out tickets. There is no excuse not to buy a pass.
Watched the Save unit working the Hali area last season double bang non permitted sleds, fail to display evidence of permit and trespassing, I think it came to north of $400 bones with the victim surcharge. They were also zero tolerance with cans, val tag and insurance, so a few were really banged hard. Was told they have added MSVA offences to the easy access data base, get a second hit with a can or any of the other offences, its a summons to court for them to explain to a judge why they felt it was ok to reoffend.
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13 minutes ago, LuvMyViper said:
Good idea but it will be hard to beat Custom John as the "tool of the day" 🤪
Jesus, that made me laugh so hard I freaked the dog out Rick
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7 hours ago, stoney said:
I am wondering how hard this is being pushed by the OFSC as well.....
It's been pushed extremely hard since the inception of Bill 101 back in the late 90's early 00's making the permit an instrument of the province (MTO), making trail and MSVA related offences provincial offences. We have to be realistic in our expectations of enforcement for a basically 30,000+km private pay per use trail system used by approx 80 to100,000 permit buyers. Ontario currently has a population of 15 million people, it's pretty likely that 14,800,000 give or take don't even know snowmobile trails exist, let alone have an enforcement issue, or give a rats ass about it. Sad but that's what we truly are dealing with, police have much much bigger enforcement issue to deal with in the grand scheme of things.
As said before, sledding is in desperate need of a culture change, we need the 95% of the 80 to 100,000 permit buyers to help set that culture change. Which is tough when your dealing with outright disrespectful self entitled people that only care about themselves. Like I said the other day, everyone got a trophy and here we are .........
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3 hours ago, Ox said:
I find some of the comments here quite cornfusing....
Some wish it was still the remote designation that it once was.
Others think that the place should be ran jist like the 711 a 2 block walk from their house in the city.
Well, I aint from no city, that's fer sure, but I would want, and expect some bush camp ran joint way off the beaten path to be "Cowboyish". If I wanted something other, I would likely be in Miami in stead.
Now I would expect the owner(s) of a place like this to be hands on in regards to gitt'n the trail cleared and whatnot.
And from here it would seem not responsible on their part to have the accomodations ready for the groomer opperator.
Also, I am gitt'n the picture that the groomer opperators are not volunteering to make the run north.
If it's not open, and the operator doesn't need to be there, then that soul could have his butt in a groomer too.
The "Volunteers" in these apps should be those that benefit from it directly.
Motels and such, and places like this.
What was once a remote unplugged rustic and backwoodsy adventure, is now a daily/nightly full blown Kid Rock concert with the Jackass crew opening up.
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12 minutes ago, Giddy UP said:
Agreed! You will see many more areas open up in the south now - will take some wind out of their sails when the numbers start to drop up there - at least for now. They had a good start to the season up there ... basically the only show in town.....now they are crapping in their own backyard. The ranting and bashing going on on their FB page is juvenile at best - and I for one sure won't be making the trip up to support them - especially not riding closed trails. RESPECT needs to be shown to the Snowmobile clubs. Both clubs work so very hard to get things ready to open and stay open! Hats off to them and thank you for all the hard work so that we have the best trails to ride when we are up there. That is why we drive for 7 hours to get there every year - there are more trails to ride than just doing the Canyon loop FYI....as it seems that is all some people seem to think they can do for whatever the reason (albeit it is definitely one day usually out of our trip - but not the reason we go as so many others allude to)
When we first started heading to Cochrane over 20 years ago now, there was no "loop"...the ONLY side open was the east side...It was 154kms? or so each way....No warm up shack just past the tracks (that is relatively new) and once you got to Base Camp it was a warm Oasis for a cup of hot chocolate, a boiled wiener on a bun and a chocolate bar! Gas was approx $2.00/litre back then and that was what we considered expensive - but - you had no choice. Sleds were not as fuel efficient as they are now...we carried some gas - but not enough to do the entire trip - so we always topped up our tanks and supported Base Camp - it wasn't fancy, but it was a warm welcome.
Now - they seem to think they are entitled in some way? IDK....but that is the impression I am getting. There is no good done when they are bashing the very clubs that "feed" them their customers. Posting and encouraging riders to come up when the tails are clearly closed shows no respect. Posting pics of no social distancing and drinking alcohol without a license does not promote good business practices either When the club posts a closed trail it isn't because they "want" to do it - it is because the need to do it for whatever the reasons are it shouldn't matter - it is closed THE END. Whether it has to do with land use permits or out of safety...CLOSED IS CLOSED and nobody in this sport should be encouraging others to ride on those closed trails PERIOD!
I have always supported Base Camp every year we go to Cochrane - but - sorry....our group will not be making that trip to the canyon this year. Glad I have "been there and done that" for many years..... it is a sad situation. for sure.
Rant over - just my 2 cents
We stopped heading up there once it became touristy, it just wasn't the same anymore.
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Super cold temps for well over a week and now huge snow in southern, central and eastern Ontario, the Karma bus is hitting Basecamp at full speed lol
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Just saw this in one of the Basecamp posts on FB
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5 minutes ago, stoney said:
Can’t argue with that.
The context of the pint was to settle the atmosphere, have a few laughs while they settle things and close the gaps, but based on the above and the volume of the situation, clearly not a great idea nor does it sound like it will happen.
Can’t say I follow or read the social media either surrounding this, but it sure doesn’t appear to be good.I get it Stoney, I only highlighted to use it as a door opener to lead into my reply lol
The situation really sucks, it's too bad it's come to this. They at least could try and be discrete and try and tone it down a tad. They seem to carry it like an honor badge.
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4 hours ago, stoney said:
All the more reason all parties need to get together and go for a pint to discuss, even if just the one club meets with the camp….. ideally both of course.
Not saying the club needs to initiate, but maybe someone needs to take the lead for the good of the area and the sport.
Or perhaps the end is inevitable, and such ids life.For sure not what's needed in that sit down. Basecamp needs to step away and hire some outside people to run things up there that will run it like a proper business and not the white trash redneck wild west crap show it is, or sell it off to someone that will. Just read some of the peoples posts over the past years since they took over from Bill, and look at some of pic's from some of the riders that go up there. There's a reply in of their own posts with a pic from 2 days ago of 4 inside at Base camp, one has a red solo cup, another with a Coors in hand, none of the 4 wearing masks, no matter ones bias with covid, it's no way to run a business, especially one that's a lifeline service in a remote area. Zero covid protocol, no liquor license/smart serve. I know if I had a vote on PBR's board I honestly wouldn't stick my neck out and vote to leave that trail open with that crap being allowed to continue the way it has been. Aside from the obvious risks to riders, lots of big liabilities with stuff like this being out in the open for any lawyer to pluck away at. No club/volunteer should ever have to deal with a burden like this.
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Super crappy to hear Scott, hopefully a solution presents it's self to keep you in the game this season. So many scumbags out there
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4 hours ago, Spiderman said:
I didn't know there were OFSC prescribed trails in the Haliburton Forest.
Sorry, to clarify, MSVA applies to OFSC prescribed trails only
The MSVA applies to anywhere public including lakes, crown and municipal land, and on private land where the public is invited to ride by fee, and/or if enforcement is requested by the land owner, however on roads and hwy's it's up to the discretion of the officer to enforce under the HTA or MSVA. I was made aware of this from ride alongs with Sean (ODot1)
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2 hours ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:
While I agree with what you posted, I think we both know the me me me age isn't going to go away quickly if at all. We also know that the OPP will likely not increase the enforcement.
So, given the above, do you want to help me set up a pool to pick the date organized snowmobiling in Ontario disappears? Unfortunately, that is what will happen unless there are positive changes made.
We have a model that works to our east. Why will those in charge not adopt it.
If you're talking about Quebec we'd need to see huge legislative changes, here volunteers, landowners, clubs the OFSC and birds that fly over trails can be sued, Sure we win just about every single time, but in order to do that there is a huge cost burden, which Quebec doesn't have with their lawsuit protection legislation. The OFSC and every other none profit in Ontario has lobbied for it for as long as I can remember, our legal system isn't budging on it. Quebec is much different culturally especially when it comes to sledding, but they also have a lot of the same issues.
Sometimes the only solution to a problem has to come from within the problem itself ........
I think we'd start to see changes if real sledders started to really care and really started applying constant pressure to the asshats, rather then turning a blind eye waiting for a band of sledding superhero's to show up and do something.
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Some things to ponder within the scope of some of what's been discussed in this thread.
The me me me generation is only getting worse, respect for one another for the most part is gone, not just in sledding. Everyone got a trophy whether they put forth an effort or not, so here we are ...........
30,000 km of trail in the province each trail with multiple access points - if trail closed signs were put up and removed at every access point each time a trail opened and closed throughout the season what would cost of the signs and logistics be, and how many volunteer hours would it take each time ? Also what kind of liabilities would it open if the odd sign here and there was missed if this was the standard practice ?
Mid to late 40's Ted and Alice just want to help their community and volunteer with their local sled club because it's their way of giving back through something they enjoy in their spare time. How much training and legal protection can you feasibly give to them to be effect Trail Patrol, and most importantly at the same time keep them from harms way ?
Last season a group of 6 of us were trailside on a rail trail at an open area at a road crossing, checking permits and chatting with riders that stopped because they wanted to stop and chat. 90% of the riders were totally awesome just out riding and enjoying the day, posing for pic's for the clubs FB page, and also taking pic's themselves, very receptive to us being out there. We also helped a couple with a mechanical problem and saved their day. After about an hour or so a group of 4 guys came up upon us at an overly high rate of speed fast enough that their stopping was uncontrolled, almost clipping some of us and others pulled well off the trail. When we and some of the others that were at the stop tried to confront them while they made their stop at the road crossing, they were belligerent and extremely aggressive, one guy actually got off his sled and starting flexing and chirping off to everyone there. Pic's were taken and OPP were called and description and reg numbers were given, there was a snow unit out in the area, but never heard back from them, so figure they never saw them. This wasn't the first time something like this has happened to our group. I like most other volunteers I just want to ride and volunteer to make sure we have trails and to help better my community. I deal with aggressive scumbags at work all the time and have a decent amount of confrontation de-escalation, self defense and tactical training, and I honestly no longer feel safe out there doing trail patrol in the bush with sketchy cell service, and certainly don't want to have to deal with that crap while volunteering.
I don't know the solution, but do feel the only thing that will save this sport (and mankind in general) is a shift in the attitude of the select ME ME ME few. No matter how much the fines are, or if the OPP put 10-20x the amount of man power out there it will never be enough to stop the self entitled a-hos.
Change has to come within the sport, like Zozo said, people have to stop doing things like riding with people with unpermitted sleds. Also take it a few steps further, not riding with people that ride with cans, or riders riding beyond their talent.... ect
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8 minutes ago, gobills said:
Do you think the 22s will be 2500 more? Everything else will be up in price next spring.
He was more concerned with getting stuck with a 21 after the season has ended, without even being able to hit the trails till the 22s are already out lol
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21 hours ago, RAMSOMAIR said:
My dealer wants me to give my sled up and will return the deposit. Says he has 15 guys waiting to buy a Mach for $3000 more than I paid
My son got the call on Friday that his 21 Can Am Commander XTP was in and would be ready to be picked up this week, was supposed to be in early to mid May. Dealer said if you don't want it we'll refund your deposit and have a customer that will deliver $2500 cash in person to you to take your unit. The guy is meeting up with my son this week, likely already has. My son told them to keep the deposit and roll it into a 22 XTP for spring delivery. He's already had similar offers on his Mach that's apparently in and awaiting DESS and gage, but he's keeping that. He held onto his 19 Freeride till the Mach's in his hands just in case, if all goes well he'll do good selling that within the next few weeks since he bought it pre covid.
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4 hours ago, livin' on the b103 said:
Spoke with my dealer today, sled had been in for a while-sans gauges. Gauge is in and sled will be ready late this or early next week. Adding skid plate, led headlite, e-link and swapping my high glove box and gps wiring from my old sled. Good thing I kept my medium windshield from last 850. Back ordered!! Looks like most parts/ accessories are coming in except windshields and 2 up seats. Might not be as bad for new sleds as was predicted, at least in Ski Doo land. Heard Polaris is giving some far out dates though.
Livin'
Good stuff brother 🍻 Stretch picked up his 22 850 Renny complete from Harpers last week. My young lad was told his Mach will be in late Nov early Dec from Bennetts. Took a ride in the buggy up the trail to Hali yesterday. 90000 tons of fresh material graded all the way from HJ right into Hali, the swamp above the pond causeway is high, really high, level with the trail with run off going across the trail in one spot, doesn't look like a culvert will help.
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19 hours ago, signfan said:
True. But can they actually understand where they are on that map when out in the field. Sadly many cannot. Trails were created to solve an issue (ppl riding anywhere and everywhere). It worked. This is a new issue and a similar solution is needed. Question is more who will provide the info in a manner that your avg joe blow can actually use (on a phone or GPS system). With insurance the way it is sadly OFSC may not be a willing candidate for this job be that right or wrong.
Sadly for most part I doubt most if any that ride off trail legally now would go out of their way for legal off trail access. They simply just don't care about anyone or anything other than themselves and have zero respect for others.
There was a time when a land owner, other sledders and or as once called trail wardens could cuff a guy across the helmet a few times and tell him to smarten up without legal issues.
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On 9/29/2021 at 5:16 PM, ArcticCrusher said:
Guy can build a cottage but is afraid of two wires. Lol.
No issues playing with house hold wiring, but when it comes to soldering little wires on circuit boards I'm out, plus my meat hooks really are not designed for small stuff lol
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6 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:
What happens if you short the start button momentarily, would it not fire up?
No idea ? don't want to fry the mother board poking around with it without knowing exactly what I'm doing.
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17 hours ago, Ox said:
I haven't cut and burnt wood in nigh on 30 yrs.
(don't have a cabin tho either)
Was just at the Nutter Center down in Dayton, Ohio on Friday night to see Sarah Evans and Alabama.
My wife really wanted to see Sarah, but she wasn't feeling up to par, so Exile opened up in stead.
Then everything / anything else that she wanted to go see and doo on Saturday (like Wright Patterson AF base) was now requiring masks, so we came home early.
My wife / a happy camper!
Never heard of Nutter before. We don't venture that direction often. Let alone that far.
Any relation to you?
I've never heard that name 'till now.
No no relation, just a nick name given to me from my chums eons ago lol
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2 hours ago, Ox said:
Oh, I sure woodn't worry aboot the pellet stove while out riding or anything - no.
I just meant - like leaving for the week.
Yeah, my bin is relatively sealed too I guess. Like I said - it smoldered.
Not so likely to burn the place down, but I still don't like the thought.
Are pellets all that much cheaper heat than gas up there?
Last we burnt pellets was that cold winter of 13/14 when LP was in scarce supply.
I have a pair of pellet (corn) "furnaces", and we ran one in the shop and one in the house that winter.
I bought the first one to burn corn, back when they were giving it away.
It felt terribly wrong to burn food when you can't eat coal or oil, but I figgered there must be quite a glut of it if they were giving it away. (for $2 USF)
That also gave a good job for my young teenager at the time.
So - how does this thing light it'self?
Does it use LP?
I just want to be able to remotely light it to pre heat the garage before we head up for the weekend. I have a buddy that comes and hits the button Thursdays or Fridays during the season when were heading up. But would like to not depend on others, and in case he's away. They have igniting rods/elements behind the burn box with a little 1/4 inch hole, hit the start button and the pellets start to drop and the element heats up good and hot and ignites the pellets, once the fire starts and the fire box hits a certain temp the element turns off.
If you scroll back and read my first post in the thread it explains why we use them and somewhat of a cost break down. They fit the bill perfect for us, I find the cost to be more than reasonable and it's such nice heat. I ran wood stoves for over 30 years at home and the cottage and am done with cutting and splitting and the mess. Worst case now is the odd stray pellet hitting the floor when filling the hoppers lol
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3 hours ago, Ox said:
Remote lighting?
Like - completely starting up from nothing?
You gotta be kidd'n?
The lowest setting is the lowest that I know of them going.
There is no such thing as a pilot light on them eh?
I would no recommend a pellet stove for unattended use for long.
I have once had the fire burn (smolder) back up the screw into the tank.
I don't remember what the cause was, but my guess was that the feed motor died?
I'll take gas thank you very much!
It's self igniting but have to manually touch the on button, been running pellet stoves without issue for years, never had any problems leaving them running on their own while out riding for 8 -10 hours or over night while were sleeping. Both our garage and in the cottage stoves have sealed hoppers and also have safe guards so they can't run away burn up the auger into the hopper. Both are also vented out and above the roof line to pull a draft if the power goes out, so they wont smoke the cottage or garage out before they burn out.
The Enviro pellet unit in cottage could run off a wifi plug and it will light by just supplying power with presetting the controls, due to being a none computerized control panel, but no need since we keep the cottage at 58 with the propane furnace when not there. But no such luck with the garage unit.
We have been considering swapping them but the England in the garage is an industrial look unit and the Enviro in the cottage is a bigger BTU unit, and fits the look inside better, and is a lot quieter.
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So was finally able to play with the garage pellet stove and thermostat set up last night and this morning. So far I'm SOL for remote start via the thermostat being kicked on and off.
When hooked to a thermostat it wont cycle on and off when the thermostat is turned on and off, and with the thermostat turned down to 60* it will stay running at the lowest burn rate, even if it's exciding 60* in the garage. Talked to a couple England Stove dealers and as figured no one wants to discuss a pellet stove remote igniting with no one there, even though all the safe guards will prevent any over burn or snuffing out issues, just as it would with leaving it on when no ones home, or over night when sleeping, which they are designed to do.
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51 minutes ago, RotaxMike said:
I think any online driver training & no time behind the wheel of a boat, sled, groomer or any motorized vehicle is a good thing. When the boating Lic came out they ask me to sign up & they would do it for me. Man I feel safe with that. At least in class training can answer any questions & teacher can go into more details. With grooming I dont think any clubs would put somebody in a groomer after doing the online coarse on there own
Agreed 100%
It's shitty that the boat license "authority" folks saw the chance to make a buck and sold our government on a pitch that it should also be on line. Forced hand we certainly didn't want.
IMO the only good that has come with the on line driver training is that it served many kids and parents well last season with the Covid issues we've been facing, and for kids that live out of reasonable reach of a course. There would have been over 2500 kids last season that would of been SOL otherwise.
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OFSC Issues Urgent Appeal To Save Our Trails - Jan 24/22
in Main Clubhouse
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Driver doesn't even have to be identified
Lots of good reading here, based on my own interactions the SAVE unit guys are well versed in the act, but not so much with most other snow patrol units.
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90m44