Wildbill Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Why the Biggest Battery Company is Betting Against Lithium | Watch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95rxl650 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Long shot that needs to be explored for sure. It'll be a long time coming at a competitive level if ever. Research and development I'm afraid will eat up any potential for it to be competitive any time soon. EV's themselves have a long way to go before they are ever more than a grocery getter. But, better to have light at the end of the tunnel than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 My cousin says he won't buy another electric vehicle. Has Id4 now. He says about half the time all chargers are broken (yes not one but all) when he gets to charging station. He also had incidents where charger and car software can't talk, so not getting a charge either. CAA has had to bring his vehicle home on a few occasions. He says going to Ottawa in cold from his home in Toronto, can be a stressful experience. He says this is last pure electric he will own. Plug in electric with gas back up next time or just hybred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave K Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I could see the benefit to a hybrid vehicle. Honda makes one. Not a plug in hybrid, but the battery is charged by the gas engine, and engine shuts off and on as needed. IIRC. I would never own a fully electric vehicle. Living in the country, everything is 20 minutes away ( except the snowmobile trail, I can see this from my house👍) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Dave K said: I could see the benefit to a hybrid vehicle. Honda makes one. Not a plug in hybrid, but the battery is charged by the gas engine, and engine shuts off and on as needed. IIRC. I would never own a fully electric vehicle. Living in the country, everything is 20 minutes away ( except the snowmobile trail, I can see this from my house👍) That is what I have. I will admit it works VERY well - and IMO - is the absolute perfect/best of both worlds and nothing more than that is needed to save all of us from melting, or freezing, whichever the climate changers tell us will happen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 32 minutes ago, Spiderman said: That is what I have. I will admit it works VERY well - and IMO - is the absolute perfect/best of both worlds and nothing more than that is needed to save all of us from melting, or freezing, whichever the climate changers tell us will happen What space is lost in the vehicle with both a battery, gasoline engine and I assume electric motor that must attach to the vehicle drive train? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 23 minutes ago, stoney said: What space is lost in the vehicle with both a battery, gasoline engine and I assume electric motor that must attach to the vehicle drive train? 0, you'd never know the difference between mine and a non hybrid - they're identical on the inside and outside My neighbor has the exact same vehicle - non hybrid model - can't tell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 50 minutes ago, Spiderman said: 0, you'd never know the difference between mine and a non hybrid - they're identical on the inside and outside My neighbor has the exact same vehicle - non hybrid model - can't tell I wonder if they designed the vehicle based on hybrid model so non hybrid model has more spare space under the hood, body, etc…so people did not see the gain in possible space with non hybrid models….or the battery and electric motor really take up very little space. I think the batteries are wider and flatter so more easily hidden. regardless, good to hear you are happy with yours. Do you ever compare with your neighbors the differences in fuel savings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 37 minutes ago, stoney said: I wonder if they designed the vehicle based on hybrid model so non hybrid model has more spare space under the hood, body, etc…so people did not see the gain in possible space with non hybrid models….or the battery and electric motor really take up very little space. I think the batteries are wider and flatter so more easily hidden. regardless, good to hear you are happy with yours. Do you ever compare with your neighbors the differences in fuel savings? Looking at either vehicle inside or outside there is 0 difference. Interior space is exactly the same. I can’t speak to under the hood. I haven’t popped both beside each other to look, but I wouldn’t care anyway. You give up nothing on this model. Normal daily driving the mileage is better, that I can tell you. drive hard, tow, or higher than 100k highway speeds, you aren’t saving anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Technology is changing fast. batteries in construction equipment have increased in charge capacity by 30-40% over last 5-6 years. Super Fast charging batteries and Super fast chargers that are capable of charging from a small on board generator. i have seen a 100t crawler crane that has this system. The batteries can run for 45mins on their own. smaller onboard diesel generator burns less then half the diesel the standard crane would burn. Or this crane can be plugged into electrical grid and run off electricity. Hydrogen engines being introduced in construction equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Never been a dodge guy, but I think they are onto something with this new ramcharger hybrid. https://www.ramtruck.ca/en/ramcharger Makes sense. You loose the tranny and the transfer case. Replace it with electric motors and a generator. Kinda the best of both worlds. You get an ev for daily driving. Will still get you up north on a 6 - 8 hr haul without ridiculous charging stops. Should be decent for towing capability. Be interesting to see some reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Must be a new daffynation for "Ramcharger" eh? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 23 hours ago, signfan said: Never been a dodge guy, but I think they are onto something with this new ramcharger hybrid. https://www.ramtruck.ca/en/ramcharger Makes sense. You loose the tranny and the transfer case. Replace it with electric motors and a generator. Kinda the best of both worlds. You get an ev for daily driving. Will still get you up north on a 6 - 8 hr haul without ridiculous charging stops. Should be decent for towing capability. Be interesting to see some reviews. More efficient use of power also. No power loss through transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Similar tech for big rigs https://edisonmotors.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 14 hours ago, Sksman said: More efficient use of power also. No power loss through transmission. Every time that you change energy from one to another - there is loss, typically shows up as heat. So you will lose energy at the gen set, likely at the battery, at the power amp, and again at the wheel motor(s). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 True but if that internal combustion engine is only running a fraction of the time that is the savings. How much heat gets pushed out the tailpipe and rad in an internal combustion engine. Also its a small naturally aspirated 6 cylinder motor (presumably de-tuned for efficiency and reliability). No turbos to crap out and 2 cylinders less than a v8. You get the benefits of electric (torque, instant power, quiet, etc) without the range anxiety. Diesel electric is not new tech. Been used in rail and mining for decades successfully. Time will tell, but I think this idea has merit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, signfan said: True but if that internal combustion engine is only running a fraction of the time that is the savings. How much heat gets pushed out the tailpipe and rad in an internal combustion engine. Also its a small naturally aspirated 6 cylinder motor (presumably de-tuned for efficiency and reliability). No turbos to crap out and 2 cylinders less than a v8. You get the benefits of electric (torque, instant power, quiet, etc) without the range anxiety. Diesel electric is not new tech. Been used in rail and mining for decades successfully. Time will tell, but I think this idea has merit. If it is a diesel generator and since generator don't drive wheels, dyed diesel could be used. That would be a huge plus for farmers, ranchers contractors etc that have fuel 👌. weak point is battery's and control module. Diesel generator is heavy especially since they are talking about. Not sure how much pay load truck would have left. Between batteries and generator might not be much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT RIDER Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 I think the tax man would be after you Strong Farmer, Dyded fuel is for off road use only, your tractor is exempt for road travel, all others are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 The ram is a gas engine. Might get a diesel retrofit from Edison. If you're truck has solid axles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyr Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 My buddy just got a new GMC Denali EV. What a truck! Crazy fast. Super range empty (700kms). Crappy when pulling a big trailer though. He pulled his big pontoon from Stratford to North Bay and had to charge 2x on the way up and ended up having his BIL with a gas Yukon tow it home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 6 hours ago, signfan said: True but if that internal combustion engine is only running a fraction of the time that is the savings. How much heat gets pushed out the tailpipe and rad in an internal combustion engine. Also its a small naturally aspirated 6 cylinder motor (presumably de-tuned for efficiency and reliability). No turbos to crap out and 2 cylinders less than a v8. You get the benefits of electric (torque, instant power, quiet, etc) without the range anxiety. Diesel electric is not new tech. Been used in rail and mining for decades successfully. Time will tell, but I think this idea has merit. Not arguing any of that. My boy has a plug in that is relegated to around home, and a hybrid that goes anywhere. It does well on milage as I understand it. Not just in town, but out on the open road it does somewhat better than an all gas version of the same {I think}. As you say - the camming and whatnot for gen-set use may be a big part of that difference. Hybrids don't have much battery at all, compared to a plug-in. More like a capacitor I think. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Yeah I never bought into the traditional hybrid. Too complex. Why pay for the transmission, driveline and then electric motors and battery on top of it. Too many parts. Not sure anyone has the answer. But definitely interested in seeing how this ram does. Hopefully it isn't a flop like the Ford lightning turned out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 7 hours ago, CAT RIDER said: I think the tax man would be after you Strong Farmer, Dyded fuel is for off road use only, your tractor is exempt for road travel, all others are not. You can use it as long as you aren't powering wheels directly with it. Transports use it for refrigeration and to run APU. Why can't I use it to re charge battery then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 18 hours ago, Strong Farmer said: Not sure how much pay load truck would have left. Between batteries and generator might not be much. Look at the pictures of the trucks again. They all appear to be heavy haul or off road trucks where the tare weight is not normally a primary concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 10 hours ago, signfan said: Yeah I never bought into the traditional hybrid. Too complex. Why pay for the transmission, driveline and then electric motors and battery on top of it. Too many parts. Not sure anyone has the answer. But definitely interested in seeing how this ram does. Hopefully it isn't a flop like the Ford lightning turned out to be. What veehickle ever used that arrangement? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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