Strong Farmer Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 7:20 PM, 1049 said: I filled my dyed diesel two weeks ago it was 93 cents plus HST . Groomer would probably use 25 to 30 litres per hour That’s pretty close my last fill was 88 cents too. Ofsc ie districts would have some buying power as well and I am sure they book fuel ahead at an x price for some of seasons fuel too. Winter diesel has less energy in it too. I always try to fill tank one more time in September before they start switch to lighter winter diesel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 7:32 PM, vooodooo said: Real world lol, I run the groomer, it and it’s fuel supply is at my place. 2015 Prinoth with an 18 foot mogul master drag. 250L of diesel on board, in a main tank and a rear mount feeder tank. it depends on snow conditions a bit, but it burns about 20L per hour. On a good day, our trails, that fuel load can do 120 km of trail. It is not always enough fuel for one of our runs. We have some local sledders that go to a next door clubs fuel supply and supply me cans of diesel, at their home, to top up, so we can continue and do more trail…if they didn’t It might end poorly…groomer out of fuel. Been close to sucking air, haven’t run out yet thanks to volunteers. Thank-you! I figured range would be abit higher then that, cold and lighter diesel does increae fuel consumption. Blowing snow use tractors use fuel too. Average fuel use on some of these newer tractors is close to 3.0 gallons an hour plus def. telehandlers are amazing on fuel for what they do. Just got a new one a few years ago and it runs about 6 hours on 5 gallons of diesel and no def, on that engine. It was just under horsepower limit for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledguy74 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 When you buy your snowmobile trail permit for the upcoming season, it will cost you $5.00 more than last year. It’s the first time in three years that the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs has raised the price. CEO Ryan Eickmeier says the number of permits sold last year increased by about 15%. “And the increased demand on the trail network obviously demands increased grooming, increased infrastructure and trail maintenance,” he adds. Those three years without an increase occurred while costs kept climbing. “We’re conservatively looking at about a $400,000 in revenue as a result of the permit increase,” Eickmeier outlines, “and all of that money has already been committed back into the trail network.” OFSC members are responsible for 30,000 km of trails. That’s roughly three-quarters of the way around the Equator. NEW TRAIL PERMIT PRICES Seasonal Permit (model year 2000 or newer) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $195 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $225 December 2, 2021 onwards: $275. Classic Permit (model year 1999 or older) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $155 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $155 December 2, 2021 onwards: $185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Sledguy74 said: When you buy your snowmobile trail permit for the upcoming season, it will cost you $5.00 more than last year. It’s the first time in three years that the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs has raised the price. CEO Ryan Eickmeier says the number of permits sold last year increased by about 15%. “And the increased demand on the trail network obviously demands increased grooming, increased infrastructure and trail maintenance,” he adds. Those three years without an increase occurred while costs kept climbing. “We’re conservatively looking at about a $400,000 in revenue as a result of the permit increase,” Eickmeier outlines, “and all of that money has already been committed back into the trail network.” OFSC members are responsible for 30,000 km of trails. That’s roughly three-quarters of the way around the Equator. NEW TRAIL PERMIT PRICES Seasonal Permit (model year 2000 or newer) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $195 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $225 December 2, 2021 onwards: $275. Classic Permit (model year 1999 or older) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $155 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $155 December 2, 2021 onwards: $185 $5.00 whole dollars..................first one to complain gets banned. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, UsedtoSkidoo said: $5.00 whole dollars..................first one to complain gets banned. X2..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvMyViper Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, UsedtoSkidoo said: $5.00 whole dollars..................first one to complain gets banned. I love playing the Ban game lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Turbo Doo said: X2..... 6 minutes ago, LuvMyViper said: I love playing the Ban game lol... Friggin price should be up $100.00 still cheapest thing for snowmobiling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvMyViper Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, UsedtoSkidoo said: Friggin price should be up $100.00 still cheapest thing for snowmobiling. Who set the new price? Doctor Evil? We will increase it $5. Hehehehe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, LuvMyViper said: Who set the new price? Doctor Evil? We will increase it $5. Hehehehe As I understand it, the MTO has last say on permit pricing. They seem to be frugal only when it comes to sled permit pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Sledguy74 said: When you buy your snowmobile trail permit for the upcoming season, it will cost you $5.00 more than last year. It’s the first time in three years that the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs has raised the price. CEO Ryan Eickmeier says the number of permits sold last year increased by about 15%. “And the increased demand on the trail network obviously demands increased grooming, increased infrastructure and trail maintenance,” he adds. Those three years without an increase occurred while costs kept climbing. “We’re conservatively looking at about a $400,000 in revenue as a result of the permit increase,” Eickmeier outlines, “and all of that money has already been committed back into the trail network.” OFSC members are responsible for 30,000 km of trails. That’s roughly three-quarters of the way around the Equator. NEW TRAIL PERMIT PRICES Seasonal Permit (model year 2000 or newer) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $195 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $225 December 2, 2021 onwards: $275. Classic Permit (model year 1999 or older) Purchased prior to November 2, 2021: $155 Purchased November 2, 2021 to December 1, 2021: $155 December 2, 2021 onwards: $185 Or all the way around the 49th..... Sure would be nice to know by Holloweenie time whether the bridge will be open or not. I'm guessing not, but - if it were to open, I would like to git my permit early. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Sledguy74 said: We’re conservatively looking at about a $400,000 in revenue as a result of the permit increase,” From the comment above and the price increase being $5.00 it would seem that he was "conservatively" figuring 80,000 permit sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoso Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 9:22 PM, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said: Possibly but newer groomers I believe means Tier 4 emissions. My experience with diesel emissions is that more doesn't necessarily mean better fuel economy. Our 2022 tractor running a Detroit 15 liter burns about 35l per 100km southern ont to man border, 30 in the prairies, with 45k lbs in the box. An old school cat would be at least 50 % more. New tech is all about burning less fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said: From the comment above and the price increase being $5.00 it would seem that he was "conservatively" figuring 80,000 permit sales. Thats being very conservative, but not the end goal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Ox said: Or all the way around the 49th..... Sure would be nice to know by Holloweenie time whether the bridge will be open or not. I'm guessing not, but - if it were to open, I would like to git my permit early. . the bridge is open. be fully vaccinated for 14 days, negative test within 72 hours of crossing. download and use the Arrive Can ap to enter your trip info, go through the border, like normal.just a few extra hoops. Ski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, zoso said: Our 2022 tractor running a Detroit 15 liter burns about 35l per 100km southern ont to man border, 30 in the prairies, with 45k lbs in the box. An old school cat would be at least 50 % more. New tech is all about burning less fuel. Thats good enonomy on your new truck however old school Cats(3406's at least) were more about power than economy and old school Cats didn't survive to 2010 emission levels. I think a fairer comparison might be your new 15 litre Detroit compared to a 2005 era Detroit for economy? ; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoso Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The 2022 is better than the 2017 d15 we had, but I have no experience with a 2005. I will say the Def system sucks, had a failure on our 2021 that left us in a hotel in thunder Bay for 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 13 hours ago, skidooboy said: the bridge is open. be fully vaccinated for 14 days, negative test within 72 hours of crossing. download and use the Arrive Can ap to enter your trip info, go through the border, like normal.just a few extra hoops. Ski Great info. Thanks. Heads up re: air travel, 'tho. News reports of up to 3 hrs. wait time in line ( or on plane, at gate ) upon arrival for internationalflights. Covid screening adds a speed bump at the airport, they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 $375 for Quebec seasonal passes. $335 roughly after you get your insurance money back. And we're worried about a $5 bump in Ontario. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 hours ago, signfan said: $375 for Quebec seasonal passes. $335 roughly after you get your insurance money back. And we're worried about a $5 bump in Ontario. Exactly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burndog Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 membership sales up by 15% last/this yr. and 2.6 pt. cost increase this year looks pretty dandy to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, burndog said: membership sales up by 15% last/this yr. and 2.6 pt. cost increase this year looks pretty dandy to me The only unknowns are this years permit sales number and how much the expenses will have increased this year. I'm guessing the expenses will be more than 2.6% increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said: The only unknowns are this years permit sales number and how much the expenses will have increased this year. I'm guessing the expenses will be more than 2.6% increase. Probably just based on the steady increase in fuel costs. Diesel is currently the same price as regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 12:03 PM, gobills said: Probably just based on the steady increase in fuel costs. Diesel is currently the same price as regular. Ofsc will get it cheaper no doubt. Dyed is still cheaper then regular gas. I am sure they would book some diesel a year in advance, so price might be locked in lower then current values are too, for a portion of annual fuel bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 12:03 PM, gobills said: Probably just based on the steady increase in fuel costs. Diesel is currently the same price as regular. Fuel will no doubt be an increasing costs but there will be others. Parts like everything else will likely be more expensive if you can get them. Parts availability has been an issue in almost all fronts. If parts aren't available when needed then there will be more costs moving groomers around to cover the breakdown areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 9/7/2021 at 10:02 PM, Strong Farmer said: I wait and buy it at full price again to help out ofsc. That way I don’t have to pay for it until I ride again. That works for me 👍 I do that for at least one of my Permits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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