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9 hours ago, KW Mike said:

https://www.cottagesincanada.com/29121

 

this is the place on Mazinaw, he has two rentals side by side, both beautiful. 

Nice spot.  Be careful on Mazinaw Lake though.  The south end is ok, but there is a dam at the bottom that never freezes to stay away from.  Likewise the narrows by the big rock are always open.  The north end is over 400' deep in places and is the last lake in the area to freeze.  Usually the 1st week of February before the north end is safe.  Stick to the stake line and you will be fine.  Great area to ride.  

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With many municipalities introducing by-laws now preventing short term rentals.

 

 

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13 hours ago, pt3189 said:

My son is starting 3 years of college in Owen Sound , 4 hour drive for me. Trying to plan some hub trips and really missing the ITG. Just upgraded trailer yesterday. 

Stayed here twice - easy trail access just down the street:

 

https://www.choicehotels.com/ontario/owen-sound/quality-inn-hotels/cna74?mc=llgoxxcaqil

 

-ask for the sledder's special

-there is a row of ground floor rooms that you could park your sled outside your door - if asked they will give you a key to a ground floor general exit as well.

-lots of trailer parking around the back

-pool is sometimes out of commission -best to ask ahead if this is a priority.

 

 

edit: post from 2018 - a few pictures

 

 

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49 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

With many municipalities introducing by-laws now preventing short term rentals.

 

 

Can you elaborate?  I've never heard of this in cottage country.  Lots of cottage rentals occurring this summer.

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52 minutes ago, signfan said:

Can you elaborate?  I've never heard of this in cottage country.  Lots of cottage rentals occurring this summer.

McDougall Township in the Parry Sound area has a bylaw against short term rentals of cottages - month to month rentals are ok.  Guy on our lake is doing this illegally - over loads septic systems not meant for large groups (25 last Labour Day) , stolen firewood, garbage left behind and attracting wildlife and rats from the guy keeping chickens two lots down, noise, campfires and fireworks set off during fire bans.

 

Did not rent this summer and was pulling a lot of furniture and appliances from his main larger of two cabins - probably trying to collect a business loss due to covid or access the free loan money for small businesses. 

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19 minutes ago, slomo said:

McDougall Township in the Parry Sound area has a bylaw against short term rentals of cottages - month to month rentals are ok.  Guy on our lake is doing this illegally - over loads septic systems not meant for large groups (25 last Labour Day) , stolen firewood, garbage left behind and attracting wildlife and rats from the guy keeping chickens two lots down, noise, campfires and fireworks set off during fire bans.

 

Did not rent this summer and was pulling a lot of furniture and appliances from his main larger of two cabins - probably trying to collect a business loss due to covid or access the free loan money for small businesses. 

Wow.  Not sure what is more disapointing in that scenario.  The fact that the municipality decided a by-law was necessary or the fact that this is occuring with renters abusing the situation.  If you're renting you certainly have an obligation to screen clients and ensure they don't annoy your neighbours.  You're also most definately responsible for your septic.  Our neighbours two doors down have a big lot with 3 buildings on it.  They rented one of them out in 1 week increments every week this summer.  Not a lick of issues.  The folks they had in were great.  Hardly knew they had folks in.  Anyways I think we have officially hi-jacked this forum.  Sorry revrnd.

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52 minutes ago, slomo said:

McDougall Township in the Parry Sound area has a bylaw against short term rentals of cottages - month to month rentals are ok.  Guy on our lake is doing this illegally - over loads septic systems not meant for large groups (25 last Labour Day) , stolen firewood, garbage left behind and attracting wildlife and rats from the guy keeping chickens two lots down, noise, campfires and fireworks set off during fire bans.

 

Did not rent this summer and was pulling a lot of furniture and appliances from his main larger of two cabins - probably trying to collect a business loss due to covid or access the free loan money for small businesses. 

Its not just McDougall, many are considering it, even Seguin.  

 

Renting out a cottage is a royal pain in the ass for owners, but is a way to keep it affordable.

 

 

https://olra.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/DPS-PL-2018-019-Short-Term-Cottage-Rental-Study.pdf

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7 hours ago, signfan said:

Wow.  Not sure what is more disapointing in that scenario.  The fact that the municipality decided a by-law was necessary or the fact that this is occuring with renters abusing the situation.  I.  Anyways I think we have officially hi-jacked this forum.  Sorry revrnd.

Not exactly....pertinent .....renters should be aware that if the owner is renting illegally, the township bylaw officer might boot them out half way through their scheduled week. There was a story on the wind in July about this happening on Lake Manitowabing. Rent was a pretty good amount, not to mention some inconvenience when the "holiday" is over. Usually happens after a complaint to the township. Another story has it that a bunch of guys showed up at a "cottage association's" annual party with a bunch of "escorts" not realizing that everyone there knew everyone else. 

 

In the case of the guy on our lake, the noise and theft mainly bothers a neighbour who lied twice to get the name of the lake changed after a relative who didn't deserve it...no military service, no community service and too stupid to move when everyone else did when they realized the land would not support farming. Her self-entitled husband, legally blind with no driver's license, insurance and no helmet continues to ride his ATV on public roads. He can kill himself if he wants, but  if he runs someone down, no liability for injuries....would have to sue him. So you have to take the good with the bad in some cases....;)

 

However, most people are buying property with the expectation that their enjoyment of said purchase is protected by whatever laws are in force.

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3 hours ago, slomo said:

Not exactly....pertinent .....renters should be aware that if the owner is renting illegally, the township bylaw officer might boot them out half way through their scheduled week. There was a story on the wind in July about this happening on Lake Manitowabing. Rent was a pretty good amount, not to mention some inconvenience when the "holiday" is over. Usually happens after a complaint to the township. Another story has it that a bunch of guys showed up at a "cottage association's" annual party with a bunch of "escorts" not realizing that everyone there knew everyone else. 

 

In the case of the guy on our lake, the noise and theft mainly bothers a neighbour who lied twice to get the name of the lake changed after a relative who didn't deserve it...no military service, no community service and too stupid to move when everyone else did when they realized the land would not support farming. Her self-entitled husband, legally blind with no driver's license, insurance and no helmet continues to ride his ATV on public roads. He can kill himself if he wants, but  if he runs someone down, no liability for injuries....would have to sue him. So you have to take the good with the bad in some cases....;)

 

However, most people are buying property with the expectation that their enjoyment of said purchase is protected by whatever laws are in force.

My sil brought her place and had it rented out long before the bylaw was changed.  I had mine rented before but have no use anymore.  Most people moving forward will have to pay capital gains to keep these properties  they inherit.   Slomo did you buy your place or are you another one who had it inherited and are now complaining about how others need to make it work for them?

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11 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

   Slomo did you buy your place or are you another one who had it inherited and are now complaining about how others need to make it work for them?

"When I first came to this land

I was not a wealthy man...

So I got myself a wife..

and I did what I could...

And I called my wife.....

run for your life

And I called my cow

no milk now......"

 

I rented a place for a couple of years close to the Seguin Trail and Nipissing Road while I looked around for a lakefront lot. Located one with 400 feet of water that I could afford without going into debt.

Moved an used 55 foot Atco construction trailer to the lot ($2000) and eventually got hydro, septic, etc. attached. (septic got put in in time for our wedding on property - none of this spending $50K uselessly on a wedding party as happens these days) Over the years expanded and refurbished the Atco to two stories, R2000 spec without a loan. 

It was always my intention to retire here, which is what I have done...ms. slomo still working health care in the south by phone...comes up on weekends with the Instant Pot for a week's full of meals.

 

Pretty well a standard story for anyone born and raised north of the French River - where men are men and women are women... a darn good arrangement.

 

Luckily this all happened before 1986 or so...that year prices for waterfront almost doubled...

 

The original township was unorganized which meant you only needed permits for hydro and septic and it attracted a fair amount of "characters". For years, on the Bunny Trail, there was a guy who's only qualification for interacting with bears was that he was not afraid of them when he was drunk, which was most of the time. People used to come and watch him feed huge groups of the animals who were used to a steady hand out. After he died, the township passed a bylaw outlawing the feeding of animals and had an arrangement as such with his nephew who inherited the property. On another road coming from the highway, in a large collection of travel trailers, small sheds, converted ice fishing shacks etc. centered around a larger trailer, lives a group of single men who (presumably) got fleeced by former spouses and can't afford to live anywhere else. Rumour has it that a legal defense for a group busted for a large pot growing operation in the township appealed  for  leniency in that the owners had recently attended government sponsored small business training and were exhibiting entrepreneurial spirit. 

 

(video takes a couple of seconds for the sound to be heard)

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, slomo said:

"When I first came to this land

I was not a wealthy man...

So I got myself a wife..

and I did what I could...

And I called my wife.....

run for your life

And I called my cow

no milk now......"

 

I rented a place for a couple of years close to the Seguin Trail and Nipissing Road while I looked around for a lakefront lot. Located one with 400 feet of water that I could afford without going into debt.

Moved an used 55 foot Atco construction trailer to the lot ($2000) and eventually got hydro, septic, etc. attached. (septic got put in in time for our wedding on property - none of this spending $50K uselessly on a wedding party as happens these days) Over the years expanded and refurbished the Atco to two stories, R2000 spec without a loan. 

It was always my intention to retire here, which is what I have done...ms. slomo still working health care in the south by phone...comes up on weekends with the Instant Pot for a week's full of meals.

 

Pretty well a standard story for anyone born and raised north of the French River - where men are men and women are women... a darn good arrangement.

 

Luckily this all happened before 1986 or so...that year prices for waterfront almost doubled...

 

The original township was unorganized which meant you only needed permits for hydro and septic and it attracted a fair amount of "characters". For years, on the Bunny Trail, there was a guy who's only qualification for interacting with bears was that he was not afraid of them when he was drunk, which was most of the time. People used to come and watch him feed huge groups of the animals who were used to a steady hand out. After he died, the township passed a bylaw outlawing the feeding of animals and had an arrangement as such with his nephew who inherited the property. On another road coming from the highway, in a large collection of travel trailers, small sheds, converted ice fishing shacks etc. centered around a larger trailer, lives a group of single men who (presumably) got fleeced by former spouses and can't afford to live anywhere else. Rumour has it that a legal defense for a group busted for a large pot growing operation in the township appealed  for  leniency in that the owners had recently attended government sponsored small business training and were exhibiting entrepreneurial spirit. 

 

(video takes a couple of seconds for the sound to be heard)

 

 

 

 

The long and the short is most can't do it with multiple properties without leveraging and renting does help.  Most of those who I hear complaining about short term rentals ("do you really need the money") surprisingly are other cottagers future heirs who then bitch about how they will be able to pay the capital gains in order to keep their cottage post succession.  They are the ultimate hypocrites.

 

Not sure what would happen to the prices of real estate when you loose potential buyers.

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10 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

The long and the short is most can't do it with multiple properties without leveraging and renting does help.  Most of those who I hear complaining about short term rentals ("do you really need the money") surprisingly are other cottagers future heirs who then bitch about how they will be able to pay the capital gains in order to keep their cottage post succession.  They are the ultimate hypocrites.

 

Not sure what would happen to the prices of real estate when you loose potential buyers.

I have to agree.  A little too much city moving north in some of these townships where all of a sudden making your neighbours business yours is becoming all too common.  What happened to just getting along with the folks next door.   Existing noise by-laws and fire by-laws should be more than enough teeth for the township to enforce to keep the peace in the odd situation where it is actually needed.  Why deny the small guy a chance to own a vacation property?

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3 hours ago, signfan said:

I have to agree.  A little too much city moving north in some of these townships where all of a sudden making your neighbours business yours is becoming all too common.  What happened to just getting along with the folks next door.   Existing noise by-laws and fire by-laws should be more than enough teeth for the township to enforce to keep the peace in the odd situation where it is actually needed.  Why deny the small guy a chance to own a vacation property?

A cottager on Big Cedar Lake on North Kawartha wants the discharging of firearms included in the township's noise bylaw. I've been hearing a lot of fireworks all summer long. I wonder if the cottager knows the difference between a 30-06 and a Roman Candle or M80?

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38 minutes ago, revrnd said:

A cottager on Big Cedar Lake on North Kawartha want the discharging of firearms included in the township's noise bylaw. I've been hearing a lot of fireworks all summer long. I wonder if the cottager know the difference between a 30-06 and a Roman Candle or M80?

Exactly.  Ridiculous.  If you're not happy with country living go back to the city.  Just like the folks moving into a house next to a barn.  Then a month later complaining that it smells and expecting the farmer to do something about it.

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22 minutes ago, signfan said:

Exactly.  Ridiculous.  If you're not happy with country living go back to the city.  Just like the folks moving into a house next to a barn.  Then a month later complaining that it smells and expecting the farmer to do something about it.

I seem to recall reading/seeing on the news that over the years that townships that are very agricultural have had to pass bylaws to prevent nuisance complaints. I'm just waiting for the carrying on when our new neighbours get flooded LOL

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13 hours ago, signfan said:

I have to agree.  A little too much city moving north in some of these townships where all of a sudden making your neighbours business yours is becoming all too common.  What happened to just getting along with the folks next door.   Existing noise by-laws and fire by-laws should be more than enough teeth for the township to enforce to keep the peace in the odd situation where it is actually needed.  Why deny the small guy a chance to own a vacation property?

One business in the area operated on a lake and the owner ran saws and what not all day long,  but if the neighbor's short tern rental had any activity they would call to complain.

 

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16 hours ago, signfan said:

 making your neighbours business yours is becoming all too common.  What happened to just getting along with the folks next door.  

Unfortunately some of the problems are larger than nuisance complaints....two lakes in McDougall, Harris Lake and Manitowabing have experienced break outs of green algae this summer...deadly stuff which can't be filtered out, treated,  or decontaminated. Both of the lakes are overbuilt and much of the shoreline has been "developed" as per Cottage Life Magazine. Comes from septic system failure, over fertilization of gardens and grass areas which runs off into the water, and removal of aquatic plants which tend to act like filters to keep water cleaner. 

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14 hours ago, revrnd said:

A cottager on Big Cedar Lake on North Kawartha wants the discharging of firearms included in the township's noise bylaw. I've been hearing a lot of fireworks all summer long. I wonder if the cottager knows the difference between a 30-06 and a Roman Candle or M80?

The Township of The Archipelago has a year round bylaw prohibiting fireworks.Only exceptions are Canada day,Memorial day and Labour day. It is however hard to get the Bylaw guy out 25 miles in the bay,and it doesn't appear to enforced inland.

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10 minutes ago, gtserider said:

The Township of The Archipelago has a year round bylaw prohibiting fireworks.Only exceptions are Canada day,Memorial day and Labour day. It is however hard to get the Bylaw guy out 25 miles in the bay,and it doesn't appear to enforced inland.

Up to this year the only fireworks you'd hear were on the May 2-4 or Canada Day. I was talking to our 'backyard neighbour' (their farm butts up to our lot) in August and asked her if her husband had been shooting at 'yotes. No but she had heard the fireworks too. She said it sounded like they were south of the village. This went on for a couple of weeks, a couple of nights each.

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11 hours ago, revrnd said:

Up to this year the only fireworks you'd hear were on the May 2-4 or Canada Day. I was talking to our 'backyard neighbour' (their farm butts up to our lot) in August and asked her if her husband had been shooting at 'yotes. No but she had heard the fireworks too. She said it sounded like they were south of the village. This went on for a couple of weeks, a couple of nights each.

They had them on sale at Canadian tire for a whole month. Hard to miss big fire work trailer in parking lot. People not working and spending Ei money on fire works for entertainment. Better then guns no doubt. 

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On 9/16/2020 at 4:43 PM, Nunz said:

Won't happen, Fall right till the snow flies is a very popular time for the atv crowd to get rides in and also with Hunting season starting up.

Everyone already knows where trails are. Makes no difference. Idiots will trespass with or without the itg being online. However we do need a new hunting season,  trespassers, no bag limit.

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7 minutes ago, zoso said:

Everyone already knows where trails are. Makes no difference. Idiots will trespass with or without the itg being online. However we do need a new hunting season,  trespassers, no bag limit.

That’s true. I feel like they are holding info back, since sledders going to freak out when thier favourite trail is gone and not buy a pass. Wait until December to launch it this year. 

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37 minutes ago, Strong Farmer said:

That’s true. I feel like they are holding info back, since sledders going to freak out when thier favourite trail is gone and not buy a pass. Wait until December to launch it this year. 

Really! Did they hold back info. last year because trails had disappeared??? The process was the same last year.

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18 hours ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:

Really! Did they hold back info. last year because trails had disappeared??? The process was the same last year.

Similar process this year, just releasing guide later and later it seems. Use to go live in October, then it was nov. Now december 15 most likely this year. 

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