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10 hours ago, revrnd said:

Bigfish almost down to your neighbourhood

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98 klicks, staging out of Ptbo. Saw 4 deer. 1st time riding into Keene & Hiawatha. I missed the turn @ Settlers Line to head north (not that I had planned to go that way). Subway & Banjo's Grill right beside the trail in Hastings for eats.

Yep, I can almost see my house on that map!!! LOL

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Just got home last night from a trip to the North. Left from New Liskeard 9am Tuesday morning. Rode the A to Cochrane 375 kms. Topped up fuel in Earlton. Fuel and lunch in Matheson. Fueled up once we got to Cochrane. All trails were in great shape. Cochrane close to town was a bit rough but then we passed the groomer heading out to clean up so all good. Checked in to the Railway Station by 5pm. Ate dinner in the attached restaurant that night (ok, not great). Beds are way too soft and they squeak.

Had breakfast at the same restaurant next morning. Was very good and good selection. Server was exceptionally pleasant.
On the trail by 830. Took the C to the L24 in to Timmins. Fueled up at Esso. On to the L22, then A111C to L143. L143 to the A107C, then the C and in to Shining Tree.

Fueled up at Shining Tree Camp. Through the parking lot and down to the lake, we followed the stake line over to Tree Bear Camp. 265 kms and it’s only 130pm. We had lunch and stayed the night.

Tree Bear Camp has food, more snack bar than restaurant. Burgers, hot dogs, grilled cheese, etc. 
$110+tax per person. Includes dinner and breakfast. That night, dinner was chicken with rice and veggies, coffee cake with ice cream. Not gourmet but decent. The cabins are nice. Kitchen/living area, 2 bedrooms (2 singles in each) and a washroom with shower. All new construction so very clean and neat. I believe 3 cabins are currently available. A 4th could be readied if demand warrants it.

we asked for breakfast for 730. We were offered our choice of bacon and eggs or pancakes. Pancakes with blueberries were perfect.

Temp was -28 when we left at 830. The ride got off to a rough start and with the cold temps we stopped twice to warm up, Gowganda Lake Camp (put gas in the Cat and had coffee) and J & S Variety in Elk Lake (they have coffee and lunch menu with a table in the rear, it’s beside the bridge). Now on the A, we made quick time back to the truck for 330pm, 255 km day. Worst trails we rode all week was from Earlton to New Liskeard due to the fresh snow over night and high winds. It was choppy but still ok.

Lunch at Gillies then back home in St Clements by 11.
Just about 900 kms total. I was riding my ‘15 Turbo and my riding partner had an ‘18 Gade 900 Ace. He could go 50% further on a tank of fuel so he razzed me at every fill up.

some pics.

 

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Pic from inside cabin at Tree Bear.

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We talked with the owners a fair bit. Seem like real nice people. They are from Brantford. Hope things go well for them.

 

 

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After having my sled in at the Yamaha dealership in Petawawa for a vibration and squeal that I thought was jackshaft bearings on Wednesday, they changed both the clutch side bearing and the chaincase bearing, but the squeal and vibration was still there.  Riding to Barry's Bay, the problems got worse.  It is apparent that the problem is the chaincase side driveshaft bearing.  My RAP is over and a big thank you to OF7 for coming to my rescue.

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14 minutes ago, sledjunk said:

After having my sled in at the Yamaha dealership in Petawawa for a vibration and squeal that I thought was jackshaft bearings on Wednesday, they changed both the clutch side bearing and the chaincase bearing, but the squeal and vibration was still there.  Riding to Barry's Bay, the problems got worse.  It is apparent that the problem is the chaincase side driveshaft bearing.  My RAP is over and a big thank you to OF7 for coming to my rescue.

How many km's. on your Vector sledjunk?

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3 hours ago, sledjunk said:

After having my sled in at the Yamaha dealership in Petawawa for a vibration and squeal that I thought was jackshaft bearings on Wednesday, they changed both the clutch side bearing and the chaincase bearing, but the squeal and vibration was still there.  Riding to Barry's Bay, the problems got worse.  It is apparent that the problem is the chaincase side driveshaft bearing.  My RAP is over and a big thank you to OF7 for coming to my rescue.

 

That sucks Dave. Hopefully that's all it is & is a quick fix.

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Pics from yesterday:

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Looking east at the staging area

 

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Looking north. Lots of room to park.

 

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Trail ends behind the Wonder warehouse. Tims & Wendys is out of camera shot on the right. A short walk if the ground was snow covered. Endicott Fuels is a card lock operation, so not much good if you're not set up w/ them.

 

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Looking east @ the 115 bypass

 

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Stopped at Keene Road. The trail used to end here in years past.

 

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Culvert under CR #2 between Keene & Hastings

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Osprey nest

 

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West end of the swing bridge of the Trent River.

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Not sure how the length compares to Evil's bridge near Capreol.

 

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Looking down river towards Hastings.

 

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Banjo's Grill. Trail passes thru the little parking lot before crossing the street.

 

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Stopped for lunch.

 

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On the way back.

 

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West side of the river

 

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Looking north at the turnoff to Keene.

 

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Keene sidetrail

 

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Looking south at Keene turnoff.

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Almost home.

 

3 hours including lunch. Railbed was in good shape. Fresh snow was a bonus. Temp never rose above 4 bars. A couple of rough fields on 511 near Mathers Corners & a bit of snirt on the upper end of 511.

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6 hours ago, sledjunk said:

It is apparent that the problem is the chaincase side driveshaft bearing.  My RAP is over and a big thank you to OF7 for coming to my rescue.

Sorry to hear that, SJ.  Believe that's just a 6205 with 1 seal removed.  Never seen those bearings in oil bath seize.  Yammie leaves the bearing seal on the chain side on, to keep crud out.  Usually I replace them with a track swap even though there's nothing apparently wrong.  Top ones (jackshaft) sometimes have rust from sitting over summer. 

 

The driveshaft other side (speedo pickup side) I change often, as there's no fool-proof way of re-greasing them.

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41 minutes ago, whits-end said:

 

 

The driveshaft other side (speedo pickup side) I change often, as there's no fool-proof way of re-greasing them.

On our northern trip 10 years ago this month, the '08 Apex 'lost' this bearing north of Sportsmans Lodge. The rider limped it up to Timmins. 

 

The service staff gave him some info when it was ready. He showed us the print outs when he caught up to us in Timmins. Using a needle attachment on the grease gun, squirt grease thru the seal.

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Left Kearney at 9am and it was minus 33.Met up with my buddies  at the Seguin and trail 711 junction.Went up 711 to Magnetewan Inn for a coffee and warm up.Trails coming into Magnetewan were a little thin but groomed to perfection.Then got on c104 and took it across to Sundridge then took the D=trail to D123 into Kearney.All trails were in very good shape except for the short section of d123 from Deer lake road to Kearney.Stopped at the Legion for more coffee and warm up.Took my buddies down the Seguin.Stopped at Fern Glen road and Track bed road ,then said good bye spun my sled around and came back to Sand lake as they continued west to Parry Sound. Even with the cold it was a very good day! 

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2 hours ago, revrnd said:

On our northern trip 10 years ago this month, the '08 Apex 'lost' this bearing north of Sportsmans Lodge. The rider limped it up to Timmins. 

 

The service staff gave him some info when it was ready. He showed us the print outs when he caught up to us in Timmins. Using a needle attachment on the grease gun, squirt grease thru the seal.

I usually just remove the seal and force the grease into the bearing using a needle attachment and my finger, then replace the seal. Did it for 10 years on the RX-1, without any issue at all.

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Down Lake Muskoka to Boston Pizza for lunch in G'hurst-up Muskoka/Brandy/Rosseau/Joe 2mor. to Bass Lake!

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Left Port Sydney went up 37 in was mint and turned into D and rode the 80 series west of Huntsville also minty and twisty and froze up hard .Then over to 50 back into port Sydney again minty bought a jug of oil at wild bills shop and down to Bracebridge on D  then back home port Sydney .all trails were 9/10 .leaving first light this morn to ride some 50 series trails and work my way to baysville 

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I did a similar run yesterday. All good.

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14 hours ago, revrnd said:

The service staff gave him some info when it was ready. He showed us the print outs when he caught up to us in Timmins. Using a needle attachment on the grease gun, squirt grease thru the seal.

 

11 hours ago, Bigfish said:

I usually just remove the seal and force the grease into the bearing using a needle attachment and my finger, then replace the seal. Did it for 10 years on the RX-1, without any issue at all.

Ya, I used to do that stuff until a 're-lubed' bearing blew in Gaspe.  Cost me hundreds of $ in replacement,  charges for rooms we couldn't cancel, and new rooms we had to get.  Now, for $20 a year I replace it.  Overkill I know, but peace of mind hundreds, or even thousands of miles from home. 

The issue is getting all the moisture out, and rust over the summer.  Jackshaft bearings (on clutch side)are up out of the snow. I re-lube those, and I've never replaced one, even with 30,000 kms.

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1 hour ago, whits-end said:

 

Ya, I used to do that stuff until a 're-lubed' bearing blew in Gaspe.  Cost me hundreds of $ in replacement,  charges for rooms we couldn't cancel, and new rooms we had to get.  Now, for $20 a year I replace it.  Overkill I know, but peace of mind hundreds, or even thousands of miles from home. 

The issue is getting all the moisture out, and rust over the summer.  Jackshaft bearings (on clutch side)are up out of the snow. I re-lube those, and I've never replaced one, even with 30,000 kms.

S-I-L had the jackshaft bearing go on her sled north of D'ville. Five year old REV that she'd ridden since new. It might've had 8000 klicks on it. That summer we did all the bearings on the 3 sleds. Bro's probably had the same, mine more.

 

On a 'doo, I'm not sure how easy it is to R&R it w/o the 2 special tools (we made them)?

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4 hours ago, Muskoka Man said:

Left Port Sydney went up 37 in was mint and turned into D and rode the 80 series west of Huntsville also minty and twisty and froze up hard .Then over to 50 back into port Sydney again minty bought a jug of oil at wild bills shop and down to Bracebridge on D  then back home port Sydney .all trails were 9/10 .leaving first light this morn to ride some 50 series trails and work my way to baysville 

 

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I'm not sure what I'm lookin' at here? 

It doesn't appear to be an actual bridge?

 

 

 

 

Per the bearing - I don't think that I've ever lost a lower one before that I can think of. I always re-use them - but I would Shirley spin them by hand to check of course. 

This is of course if I had it out to change tracks... And of course if the outside seal still looked good...

 

With that said - we don't run at speed for long like you guys, so that prolly makes some diff too?

 

Also - as was said above aboot rust on the upper - this must be in machines with synth oil.

I run way-lube in my chaincases. I find it to be much better!

As I have a machine shop - I have the stuff in 55 gal barrel, and not sumpthing that y'all are likely to pick up at Canadian Tyre I wouldn't think.

But it is essentially a higher end bar and chain lube. (chainsaw)

It has sticky properties - and wants to spider-web when you dip your fingers in it and than pull them apart.

 

I blew a chain* on my [then new] '02 Doo and was not happy with what I found inside. 

Next time I had it apart I filled with waylube and the next time I took it apart it looked like brand new.

 

 

 

* That track ratcheted terrible when off trail, and now it has Wahl extrovert drivers.

The chain broke from ratcheting.

 

 

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On 2/14/2020 at 11:12 AM, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:

How many km's. on your Vector sledjunk?

Only around 8800.

21 hours ago, revrnd said:

 

That sucks Dave. Hopefully that's all it is & is a quick fix.

Not too sure.  It is in at the ex-dealer's now but it is a long weekend so no report until Tuesday at the earliest.  I am a little worried that there may be extraneous damage to the chaincase housing and other parts.  The tech at Blue Beacon is really good and thorough, so I am confident it will be done right.

 

So much for my plans to ride this week, though.

17 hours ago, whits-end said:

Sorry to hear that, SJ.  Believe that's just a 6205 with 1 seal removed.  Never seen those bearings in oil bath seize.  Yammie leaves the bearing seal on the chain side on, to keep crud out.  Usually I replace them with a track swap even though there's nothing apparently wrong.  Top ones (jackshaft) sometimes have rust from sitting over summer. 

 

The driveshaft other side (speedo pickup side) I change often, as there's no fool-proof way of re-greasing them.

The track was swapped early last year with only 747 on the clock.  I did not want the studded track that was on it and opted for a pre-studded track instead.  I assume that the bearings would have been in good shape at that point, so I have no idea why the premature failure.  I am not comfortable with opening the chaincase, so it is in at a shop.  Maybe it is time to get familiar with the inner workings and do it myself.

 

I did see how easy it is to replace the clutch side jackshaft bearing, as long as the jackshaft bearing s it is not seized to the shaft.  This summer, I will be investigating removing these bearings on the other two machines to make sure they are not seized to the shaft.

Incidentally, the shop it is in now, always serviced the jackshaft bearing and speedo bearing as mentioned above by regreasing.  Never had an issue before and I am really surprised to have one at such low mileage.

 

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The bearing on the OTHER side of the main drive shaft - now that's a horse of a diff'rnt colour.

Those love to go out if you fail to grease them.

BUT - the old skewl speedo's would give you a heads up that it was going out before leaving you sit.

But I doubt that the new speedo's werk the same way. 

 

???

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ox said:

The bearing on the OTHER side of the main drive shaft - now that's a horse of a diff'rnt colour.

Those love to go out if you fail to grease them.

BUT - the old skewl speedo's would give you a heads up that it was going out before leaving you sit.

But I doubt that the new speedo's werk the same way. 

 

???

 

 

The speedo on the Yamaha is a electronic pickup at the end of the shaft.  If the bearing starts to fail, the pickup gets intermittent and then fails as well.  This did not happen on mine, hence my suspicion that it is the chaincase side that is the issue.

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That is too bad. Usually good for a good 15,000 km’s before they start to go bad. I use to always change at 10,000 km’s and never had a problem.  New doo’s are using bigger bearings I was told. 12,000 km’s on last one, never touched drive train. Speedo side is what normally goes bad first along with jack shaft bearings next. 

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