The Groomer Guy Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 people have been sending me emails about planing trips in the area, some want to head west but there wont be trails this winter west of us because District 16 is closed. I don't want people to plan trips and end up disapointed that the trails are closed. I posted on blog about this, saves from doing it multiples times, One spot for everyone to see. Le'ts hope they find a solution to this problem. heres the post on my blog http://groomerguy.blogspot.ca/2012/10/no-ofsc-top-trails-west-of.html Just want the people to know... not trying to stir the pot or cause trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 There's some great pics in this blog. Thanks for posting. Good point regarding the 50 permit req't. It's been easy to buy permits from you in the past and I'll make this year's purchase soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Groomer Guy Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 There's some great pics in this blog. Thanks for posting. Good point regarding the 50 permit req't. It's been easy to buy permits from you in the past and I'll make this year's purchase soon. Thanks John, Wish my writing skills where better, I realy like to share info with snowmobilers, help out people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowTouringGuy Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks GG ! What's the latest update on District 13? They did not have a booth at the show this year and some parts of their website were not up to date when I checked on the weekend. Any news you can share with us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks GG ! What's the latest update on District 13? They did not have a booth at the show this year and some parts of their website were not up to date when I checked on the weekend. Any news you can share with us ? Would also be interested in this information GG- how many permits does your club and the Wawa club sold / need so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Am interested also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Groomer Guy Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 Thanks GG ! What's the latest update on District 13? They did not have a booth at the show this year and some parts of their website were not up to date when I checked on the weekend. Any news you can share with us ? Would also be interested in this information GG- how many permits does your club and the Wawa club sold / need so far? Am interested also.. It's not looking good... Our district might be the next one, we don't have our district general manager anymore, we could not pay him anymore. WE have one partime lady but shes not working much lately.... it's grim guys I talked to our district president and the way he sounds the is not much future for our district.... I firgure if we sell a good amount of permit my club could stay open as we are lucky to have 2 district on bothsides of us District 15 North and District 14 to the east, we could still run out top trail and some loops. if we fall the Northern loop is done. So far I think we sold one or 2 permits at the Show last weekend. other than that I dont think we have more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's not looking good... Our district might be the next one, we don't have our district general manager anymore, we could not pay him anymore. WE have one partime lady but shes not working much lately.... it's grim guys I talked to our district president and the way he sounds the is not much future for our district.... I firgure if we sell a good amount of permit my club could stay open as we are lucky to have 2 district on bothsides of us District 15 North and District 14 to the east, we could still run out top trail and some loops. if we fall the Northern loop is done. So far I think we sold one or 2 permits at the Show last weekend. other than that I dont think we have more. Thanks for the info. Will try and figure out this online purchase thingy. Any word on the Wawa club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINNDIAN Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The whole northern trail system thing is looking pretty bleak. Our disctrict is dying due to lack of funding and snow south of us. Hopefully Wawa and Dubreuilville can survive even if the rest of our district does go down. Snow has been good here and hopefully stays that way. We are hoping to have as much or more trails than last season open in our system. There seem to be more people staying local, exploring and riding wawa and dubreuilville trails and backcountty for a few days. If anyone wants to come up and help clear some trails before it snows let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronOrange Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 As I have said previously in a thread I started in this forum; there needs to be a different philosophy about snowmobiling in Ontario. What exactly is important: The sale of permits and the concentration of riders or the integrity of the system? We have seen it all over Ontario over the past 10 years, last year 1/2 way closed this year Gogama is responsible for Shining Tree trails. We lost a trail last year and a number the year before. What do you think is in store for the future? I'm here, outside of Buffalo, all I can offer is to come down and use my money and do these sort of things. I have contacted OFSC ona number of occassions and, from my perspective, the opinion is "no one cares". Todays rider would rather not trailer to where the riding is, they prefer to just ride from where they are. Just like today's workers - just plain lazy. Yes, I'm pissed about the whole matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 No kidding this sucks. After riding in the area alot last season, i would really hate to see things go this way. I cannot belive i am even thinking this way, but if we loose the Dub and Wawa area, then what about District 15. If all that goes, i am having very very premature thoughts of getting out of the sport. The OFSC needs to address this situtation NOW. Yes the trails and riding are great in the South, but man oh man, if theres another winter like this past season, how can the OFSC let the Northern Districts fall.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 GG do we buy Trail Permits from your website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Out of curiosity. How does District 15 do with Trail Permit Sales per season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 GG do we buy Trail Permits from your website? The OFSC website - buy permits online: https://ofsconlinepermits.ca/ There is a drop down box for the clubs in various districts. D'ville and Wawa are in district 13. You need your VIN, Year, Make, Model, and your Sled License Number (and probably a credit card - have to get my sled info this weekend so haven't got past the above stuff on the form yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowTouringGuy Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Or buy Direct: Dubreuilville Alouettes P. O. Box 70 Dubreuilville, ON P0S 1B0 Phone: (705) 884-1435 Fax: (705) 884-1437 Web Address: http://www.dubreuilville.ca Notes: Office Hours: Monday - Friday 08h00 - 18h00, Saturday & Sunday 12h00 - 16h00 pavillon@dubreuilville.ca WAWA SNOW RIDERS - PERMIT SALES Phone Toll Free! 1-800-367-9292 ext 260 TRAIL PERMIT PRICING SNOWMOBILING AND THE LAW Thank You for Supporting Wawa Sno-Riders! Wawa's Trail Permit Outlets The Pro Shop (Michipicoten Community Centre) 800-367-9292 ext 260 Jones Power Sports Wawa Motor Inn Wawa Rent-All OR SEND A PM TO GROOMER GUY, FINNDIAN OR BIG REG ON THIS SITE AND THEY WILL HELP YOU WITH YOUR PERMIT PURCHASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Please be aware that telephone and internet infrastructures may be down or limited in these areas currently due to the flooding, so you may not get a response immediately. Hopefully GG or Finndian will post on here when the infrastructure is back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Doo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Thanks guys for all the info.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecarnell Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I'm very torn to sign up on line for my permit and buy a district 13 one. Haven't ridden that far north in years - but would like to support. Problem is my district (9) didn't open up ANY trails out if Kincardine due to lack of snow... I'm afraid alot if people won't be sledding this year around here - so I need to support my local district with numbers. If I live the the MSR area, I'd buy for district 13 for sure. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronOrange Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Buy direct from the club of your choosing. Last year, OFSC wanted $20 to send the permits to me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm here in the States or if it's their online fee. Bought mine from the Longlac Club, they without any additonal fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Buy direct from the club of your choosing. Last year, OFSC wanted $20 to send the permits to me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm here in the States or if it's their online fee. Bought mine from the Longlac Club, they without any additonal fees. That is because the club now has to pay the shipping fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooboy Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 But 20.00 for a .50 stamp? really???? Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 But 20.00 for a .50 stamp? really???? Ski It is the 4 percent fee for the credit card transaction. Our club here in the south has to pay ofsc 8 bucks per online permit sale that is charged to a credit card, which leaves us with 4 bucks of revenue for the club. The rest goes to the district head office (where the permit is sold)and eventually to ofsc. head office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowTouringGuy Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Buy direct from the club of your choosing. Last year, OFSC wanted $20 to send the permits to me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm here in the States or if it's their online fee. Bought mine from the Longlac Club, they without any additonal fees. For sure ! Avoid the weird shipping/transaction fees - buy direct from the club of your choosing and add 10 bucks on top as a direct donation to their trails. win/win ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Buy online before Dec. 1 and there isn't an additional fee this year. I too am torn. While in another thread I suggested as a devils advocate only what would happen if the north didn't groom any trails for a year of good snow. Perhaps the locals would realize what they have lost and buy permits again. I have also heard that some clubs are just flowing in cash while others are struggling which isn't right. No silver bullet but there does need to be an overhaul. Perhaps all permit revenue goes into a single bucket. Each club gets groomer hours funding based on the km of trails with a minimum of twice per week and a multiplier for frequency based on permits for that area as a representation of the traffic volumes. Funding for trail improvements is applied for and allocated based on merit. A scoring matrix could be created to rank the applications on merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Buy online before Dec. 1 and there isn't an additional fee this year. I too am torn. While in another thread I suggested as a devils advocate only what would happen if the north didn't groom any trails for a year of good snow. Perhaps the locals would realize what they have lost and buy permits again. I have also heard that some clubs are just flowing in cash while others are struggling which isn't right. No silver bullet but there does need to be an overhaul. Perhaps all permit revenue goes into a single bucket. Each club gets groomer hours funding based on the km of trails with a minimum of twice per week and a multiplier for frequency based on permits for that area as a representation of the traffic volumes. Funding for trail improvements is applied for and allocated based on merit. A scoring matrix could be created to rank the applications on merit. I like your idea's, but there is no easy fix. Reality is people have to buy permits and help thier local club. Taking away and stop grooming the trails for a season, isn't fair to snowmobilers that have always paid there fair share and supported the system. Have to get the free loaders to buy permits. I think we need larger fines and more enforcement, especially in the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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