IndySKS Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I still don't get how the OFSC can dictate what goes on a web site that isnt owned by them. Dave I look at it this way, we all signed to be covered under the same insurance policy, and agreed to abide the decisions of our elected board govs. What's best for all, some doing detailed reports and others not, or others doing very detailed reports and others not so detailed ..... or one consistant standard province wide ? What I don't get is how some clubs in protest can continualy buck compliance that a commitee of their peers worked long and hard to put together, which is then legaly reviewed and tweeked by the OFSC's lawyer ....... Then someone sticks a law suit in their face, and they say "why didn't the OFSC protect us" As for tree's down, wet spots, bare sections .. ect, I would guess if it came to heed the question in a court of law would be asked ..... If you were aware of a tree down or slushy spot why post it on your website instead of closing the trail till it was taken care of ? after all you clearly knew about the condition since you posted it. Hey I'm not saying your not right and i agree with every point ....but where does it stop... If the site is owned by the Club or District i can see your point. What if i an executive or not of a District owned my own site and allowed people post reports ? What if i as an executive post a report here ? Is the monkey liable ? Should we all have secret ID's to post a report on how good a trail is or if there is an issue on the trail. I used to post a lot of reports, hell i had a great one Wednesday but you know what if someone can tell me what to post and where, the hell with it. Personally i couldnt give a flying rats aZZ who posts what or where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerBurnt Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I still don't get how the OFSC can dictate what goes on a web site that isnt owned by them. Dave I look at it this way, we all signed to be covered under the same insurance policy, and agreed to abide the decisions of our elected board govs. What's best for all, some doing detailed reports and others not, or others doing very detailed reports and others not so detailed ..... or one consistant standard province wide ? What I don't get is how some clubs in protest can continualy buck compliance that a commitee of their peers worked long and hard to put together, which is then legaly reviewed and tweeked by the OFSC's lawyer ....... Then someone sticks a law suit in their face, and they say "why didn't the OFSC protect us" As for tree's down, wet spots, bare sections .. ect, I would guess if it came to heed the question in a court of law would be asked ..... If you were aware of a tree down or slushy spot why post it on your website instead of closing the trail till it was taken care of ? after all you clearly knew about the condition since you posted it. Hey I'm not saying your not right and i agree with every point ....but where does it stop... If the site is owned by the Club or District i can see your point. What if i an executive or not of a District owned my own site and allowed people post reports ? What if i as an executive post a report here ? Is the monkey liable ? Should we all have secret ID's to post a report on how good a trail is or if there is an issue on the trail. I used to post a lot of reports, hell i had a great one Wednesday but you know what if someone can tell me what to post and where, the hell with it. Personally i couldnt give a flying rats aZZ who posts what or where Are you saying lawyers are dictating the OFSC ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Are you saying lawyers are dictating the OFSC ......... Lawyers dictate everything in our lives. They are the "dealers" of the Law and we are just crack whores who need a fix. They determine what is liable and what is not by proceeding to bring the lawsuits in front of the courts and challenge the legal wording to line their pockets with the clients awards through frivolous lawsuits.. We certainly do not like hearing that the lawyers are determining what the OFSC can post and that the OFSC is then telling our clubs what they can say. This is just perception of control, not reality. Thanks Nutter for an informative post, I find these the most helpful in steering the topic to understanding and gentle venting rather than unwarranted OFSC bashing. Snow Gods forbid, but think about what we are being protected from.... Some jerk goes out, jumps on a trails and maims himself. Then he sues the OFSC, the Club, district, and the Club Directors and maybe even OC for giving him some sort of mis-information. He wins Millions and Millions of dollars. The OFSC, Clubs can no longer function as they are now uninsured. Insurance costs exceed the permit revenue. OC is offline and several of our friends have lost their homes due to personal liability. Now do you wish the OFSC had let us know how to protect our trails??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 Dominio, does that mean OC is not going to let anyone post specific trail condition reports? Surely not. G20 aside, this is still a free country. The OFSC can direct what the Clubs do on their website but by gawd, that doesn't extend to private posts (non-Club) on forums such as this. I'm not going to post anything about trail conditions under the NBSC forum, even though I'm not a Club Director, but I can surely post elsewhere on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidooer Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Lawyers dictate everything in our lives. There is a big difference between choosing to take the advice of lawyers and being dictated by lawyers. The direction of the OFSC is determined by the voting club members, and in this case they have determined that the lawyer's advice is in their best interest, even if it is a sad state that it has come to this. The vote could have just as easily moved to ignore the lawyer and take their chances with massive lawsuits that could put an end to the OFSC, but who really wants to stand behind that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cehyoopers Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 isn't ironic,,,,,heading lawyers advice,,,to protect us from,,,more lawyers,,,, Movie "Red Heat"..... Ivan Danko: In socialist countries, insurance not necessary. State pays for everything. Art Ridzik: Yeah? Well, tell me something, Captain. If you've got such a trucking paradise over there, how come you're up the same creek as we are with heroin and cocaine? Ivan Danko: Chinese find way. Right after revolution, they round up all drug dealers, all drug addicts, take them to public square, and shoot them in back of head. Art Ridzik: Ah, it'd never work here. trucking politicians wouldn't go for it. Ivan Danko: Shoot them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowTouringGuy Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Dominio, does that mean OC is not going to let anyone post specific trail condition reports? Surely not. G20 aside, this is still a free country. The OFSC can direct what the Clubs do on their website but by gawd, that doesn't extend to private posts (non-Club) on forums such as this. I'm not going to post anything about trail conditions under the NBSC forum, even though I'm not a Club Director, but I can surely post elsewhere on this forum. OC was created to share information. Members are encouraged to continue doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerBurnt Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Good news Blizzard warning 30-40cm of snow forecasted here in the next couple of days starting tomorrow night Will post trail conditions :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Fly Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Great news.... where is "here"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerBurnt Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Good news Blizzard warning 30-40cm of snow forecasted here in the next couple of days starting tomorrow night Will post trail conditions :poke: Wow that was quick only 2-5cm now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoker Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 So I take it the notice will be Limited w/ no mention of why? I can handle if the snow conditions aren't 100%, but 3 or 4 miles of plowed (down to dirt) logging/mining road is a different story. This whole "threat" of liability will be the downfall of our civilisation. Just listening to my 13 year old nephew talk about what can't be down @ the school playground since he started school is a joke. No wonder kids are obese. Playtime is basically stand around & talk to each other. Touching is inappropriate. If you tried to raise a kid like our parents did in the 60s & 70s, the CAS would be on your butt in a heartbeat & you'd lose your kids. Plus it has created a whole bureaucracy of "risk management". Kids play, they fall down & get hurt. Suck it up princess. This blameless, feeling of entitlement society deserves a good kick in the azz. Back on topic, if anyone has questions about the Apsley area, I'll try to answer any that are posted. Are the Apsley trails open ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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