ToSlow Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Anyone have any info on these sleds they can share? I'm looking at a new 2017, new old stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pussy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) What do you want to know ? I just bought a 2017 ZR7000 LXR 129 for my son in April. It has traveled 20 ft so far into the trailer. I will be doing a complete dis-assembly of the drive line to do my reliability updates in about a month. I own a 2015 XF7000 LXR 137". I have about 6000 Km on it and love the sled. There are many minor differences between a 2015 and a 2017 in clutches, drive line bearings, a new design Yamaha engine, spring a shock calibration, etc. If you buy one, don't pick it up until the dealer does the ECM flash to install the 2019 program. That is the difference between a so so engine calibration and a Cat-illac. Be prepared to spend another $1000 on things like a J&T ATV Tri-Hub eliminator and the forth wheel add on kit. A high windshield, mirrors, Kat's 50 watt heater pads for the engine if you want it to start at -20C. I have written a few post on these topics in the tech section. Just search Yama-Cat 7000. Edited August 27, 2019 by Big Pussy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToSlow Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Big Pussy said: What do you want to know ? I just bought a 2017 ZR7000 LXR 129 for my son in April. It has traveled 20 ft so far into the trailer. I will be doing a complete dis-assembly of the drive line to do my reliability updates in about a month. I own a 2015 XF7000 LXR 137". I have about 6000 Km on it and love the sled. There are many minor differences between a 2015 and a 2017 in clutches, drive line bearings, a new design Yamaha engine, spring a shock calibration, etc. If you buy one, don't pick it up until the dealer does the ECM flash to install the 2019 program. That is the difference between a so so engine calibration and a Cat-illac. I'm basically looking for the good and the bad on the sled, what are some of the likes and some of the don't likes, looking also to trade in a 07 apex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pussy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Pros Superior ride and handling. Much lighter weight if that is important. I get 19 - 20 mpg imperial. May be better than Apex. I have a buddy with a 40th anniversary Apex and he now has a Viper and a Sidewinder. He has the definative comparison. I can do more than 200 km on a tank of gas. I think it will do 230 Km. Went from Ault-Reekie lodge to Rockies in Suds with lots of fuel to spare. Used about 26 liters. Have the dealer update the ECM program to the 2019 and it will start cold and purr at idle. The Cat skis actually turn the sled instead of plowing through the corner like the Viper Tuner skis do. Factory carbides don't dart. I bought the 2017 from Aberfoyle and got it cheaper than my 2015. It was new in a crate from a dealer up north. The sled is virtually the same as a Viper but much less expensive and has better skis. The instrument cluster is pretty good. Digital RPM, Speed, gas gauge, water temp, inlet air temp, altimeter, clock, two re-settable trip odometers, peak hold read back of RPM. Instruments can be Imperial or Metric. Sled speed is accurate to 1-2 KPH to GPS. No old exaggeration. Accessory receptacle that I use with a USB adapter to run my Garman GPS or you can charge a cell phone. Receptacle switches off with key. Infinitely adjustable front and center spring preload with threaded colors. No three position pre-loaders. Cons Chinese bearings with no grease in them. Must take the clutch secondary and brake caliper off and pull a seal and add grease yearly. I do a mod to stop the bearing from spinning on the track driveshaft. 2017 have Team primary and Team BOSS secondary clutch. I have no experience with these yet but I do like the 2015 clutches although I re-calibrate to reduce RPM and improve gas mileage. 4-stroke valve lash adjustment should be done at 12,000 Km. Yamaha said 30,000 but the exhaust valves get so tight that it won't idle. Adjust the shims to save burning the exhaust valves/seats. Remember, this is a Yamaha fault. Many have had starter/starter idler gear tooth failures on 2014- early 2016 engines. I never had a problem but got the ECM updates and held the key to avoid the kick backs. Should remove the rear Tri-hub and replace with J&T ATV replacement kit with real 6205 bearings and also add the two outside wheels. I add a pair of Katt's 50 watt self adhesive heater pads to the sump pan and engine block. Plug in at night when very cold out and the sled will start like a summer day. I move the fuse /relay block with a bracket I make to a location over the belt guard. No need to remove the hood to change a fuse or relay. You may need areal windshield depending on the model. The thong looks cool but feels colder. Need a left side mirror as well if going to Quebec. Chain tensioner is manual and you must pull the muffler to get at it. Don't neglect it. Get a copper muffler gasket from Hurricane Performance so you don't need to keep buying new gaskets. The track is only clipped every second bar. I buy flat clips and add the missing clips to reduce the slider/rubber track friction. Also the extrovert drivers have the clip to drive against instead of the rubber bar. Need to replace the soft plastic rear spring preload triangles with the billet aluminum kit so you can adjust without just stripping the hex off. Gas tank need a rear bumper push down to get a big puff of air out if you need all the range. There is a lot of info here. I edited my original post so you may want to go back and read it. I love my 2015 more every time I ride it. I have a high 17" touring windshield and the sled is real warm. I ride the Northern Corridor at -20 to -30 C with no problems. You can make it a very reliable sled if you do the mods that I do. I never trade up. I buy a sled and ride it forever. I have a 1995 Wildcat with 20,000 miles, a 2001 T-Cat with 23,000 miles. I take care of them and rebuild as necessary. I have lots of pictures of my 2015 sled apart and the mods I do if you have any more questions. BP 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04nightfire Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I rode my buddy's zr7000 for a bit this year in Cochrane. I liked the sled and had a nice ride and smooth power delivery. Not a top end speed machine but will pull like a freight train. Only problem he has was the tri-hub failure in Kapuskasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC+YA Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 19 hours ago, ToSlow said: Anyone have any info on these sleds they can share? I'm looking at a new 2017, new old stock Between me and my friend, we have a total of 7 years on 2016 models with 137" tracks. They both went 130 to 137 miles before running out of fuel on a full-burped tank. I think the sled will be fine for 2 seasons with just basic maintenance. I would check chain tension after a few thousand miles and suck out chain case oil and replace each year. After 1 or 2 seasons you need to pull the brake rotor and caliper apart to grease that drive shaft bearing. Never had to worry about the rear axle tri-hub if you tighten it up each year and grease the bearings while you have it apart. The tri-hubs do come loose if only because it is plastic which only tightens so much before it deforms so not so tight either. Only had issues starting at -38°C while parked outside overnight in Timmins once. Stuck a hair dryer inside clutch side panel and closed it while running for about 10 minutes and good to go. Had to tighten front shock spring under track to lighten front end feel on mine, but my buddy had one which was fine with same setting. Think spring was different on mine. Good acceleration and steering, but that suspension will not transfer weight to raise skis off snow by design. If you like to follow close, buy the radiator screen to stop the fins from being folded over. Easy to install. Good trail sleds and never overheat! Some extra steam when running deep new powder snow. Ran 12,000 miles with just normal maintenance. Reliable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToSlow Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, AC+YA said: Between me and my friend, we have a total of 7 years on 2016 models with 137" tracks. They both went 130 to 137 miles before running out of fuel on a full-burped tank. I think the sled will be fine for 2 seasons with just basic maintenance. I would check chain tension after a few thousand miles and suck out chain case oil and replace each year. After 1 or 2 seasons you need to pull the brake rotor and caliper apart to grease that drive shaft bearing. Never had to worry about the rear axle tri-hub if you tighten it up each year and grease the bearings while you have it apart. The tri-hubs do come loose if only because it is plastic which only tightens so much before it deforms so not so tight either. Only had issues starting at -38°C while parked outside overnight in Timmins once. Stuck a hair dryer inside clutch side panel and closed it while running for about 10 minutes and good to go. Had to tighten front shock spring under track to lighten front end feel on mine, but my buddy had one which was fine with same setting. Think spring was different on mine. Good acceleration and steering, but that suspension will not transfer weight to raise skis off snow by design. If you like to follow close, buy the radiator screen to stop the fins from being folded over. Easy to install. Good trail sleds and never overheat! Some extra steam when running deep new powder snow. Ran 12,000 miles with just normal maintenance. Reliable. thanks for the info, going to bring my 07 apex in to trade on this sled. hopefully i can get a good deal on the trade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrummage Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I’ve used my 2017 ZR7000 LXR 137 the last two seasons and love it. Maintenance is a bit of a chore though as you must remove the hood to check your coolant level. Changing fluids is a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash 800 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I had the 2017 crosstrek 7000 and put 4500 miles on it. It was flawless really. This was my first cat. The engine is very reliable and coming off a 1200 ski doo the cat chassis impressed me a lot. The suspension was good but this model had the cheaper versions on it and could bottom out pretty easy in the big whoops in the northern corridor. I decided the next year to go up to the ZR9000 and love it just the same, actually more only because this one has the nice shock package. I have about 4000 miles on this one and between the two I had zero tri hub issues. The early ones didn't have the ability to replace the bearings but now they do and is doing just fine. I'll be checking and/or replace these bearings this fall. I am very impressed with what cat had to offer and the yamaha engine is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToSlow Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 i went today and put a deposit on a 17 or 18 or 19. 137, 7000 sno pro, just waiting to see what the deals are after cat gives there incentives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbane Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Sorry but: i had a 2014 XR7000. Worst sled I’ve owned. Starter/idler gear let go, cost $2g. Muffler/resonator split wide open for no reason at pretty low mileage. $1G I found sled tippy because engine is heavy and mounted high in chassis. Rode it for about 8000 miles tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToSlow Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 well i got the call today, they have my sled. 2019 black on black 7000 limited iact. can't wait, BRING ON THE SNOW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:23 PM, coolbane said: Sorry but: i had a 2014 XR7000. Worst sled I’ve owned. Starter/idler gear let go, cost $2g. Muffler/resonator split wide open for no reason at pretty low mileage. $1G I found sled tippy because engine is heavy and mounted high in chassis. Rode it for about 8000 miles tho I was wondering when you would add your comment. True that was a lemon. But the engineering on that thing is a nightmare. Best thing on it was the warm spot above the handlebars to dry gear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR SLEDHEAD Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 ^^^ Especially disappointing after how good his previous F6 was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pussy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 8:06 AM, Motorhead said: But the engineering on that thing is a nightmare. Agreed. I have re-engineered all the stupid stuff and have a great heavy sled. But I am too old and sore to be jumping driveways anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrummage Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 9:20 AM, Big Pussy said: Agreed. I have re-engineered all the stupid stuff and have a great heavy sled. But I am too old and sore to be jumping driveways anyway. What sort of re-engineering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Pussy Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 OK, Looks like this is going to turn into a Procross Chassis re-engineering thread. Since most people don't want to deal with this, I will start a new thread in the Tech Tips area where it belongs. Procross guys follow alone. Others need not be bothered. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToSlow Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Picking up the new sled in a couple weeks, Ended up getting a 2019 137 ZR7000 iact black on black. Hopefully we will get some snow to the south for a maiden voyage. Bought the sled from unlimited snowmobile in varney, very easy to deal with, and great guys to chat to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Farmer Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, ToSlow said: Picking up the new sled in a couple weeks, Ended up getting a 2019 137 ZR7000 iact black on black. Hopefully we will get some snow to the south for a maiden voyage. Bought the sled from unlimited snowmobile in varney, very easy to deal with, and great guys to chat to. Congratulations hope you get snow to ride up your way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 hours ago, ToSlow said: Picking up the new sled in a couple weeks, Ended up getting a 2019 137 ZR7000 iact black on black. Hopefully we will get some snow to the south for a maiden voyage. Bought the sled from unlimited snowmobile in varney, very easy to deal with, and great guys to chat to. Steve is great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledguy74 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Congratulations ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Congrats now we just need some cold weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 18 hours ago, ToSlow said: Picking up the new sled in a couple weeks, Ended up getting a 2019 137 ZR7000 iact black on black. Hopefully we will get some snow to the south for a maiden voyage. Bought the sled from unlimited snowmobile in varney, very easy to deal with, and great guys to chat to. Congrats... We have 2015 ZR7000 El Tigre sleds. They ride great. I think you'll enjoy your new ride. Did they fix the reverse button set up. On ours there is a raised ridge around the button to engage reverse. The opening isn't big enough for me to push with the thumb in the mitts so I have to take the mitt off to put it in reverse. At least I can't accidentally engage reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threadman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 10/9/2019 at 9:36 PM, ToSlow said: well i got the call today, they have my sled. 2019 black on black 7000 limited iact. can't wait, BRING ON THE SNOW seen you sled at stves looks great you will really like shock package great people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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