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For Martin and others looking for an entry level kids sled look for something like a 1996 Polaris Indy Lite Deluxe. Has e start and reverse. The one I got for my grand kids 2 years ago has 1700 km on it and I also studded it. When they get older and into trail riding I plan to put a 137" skid frame on it.

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14 minutes ago, Running Wild said:

For Martin and others looking for an entry level kids sled look for something like a 1996 Polaris Indy Lite Deluxe. Has e start and reverse. The one I got for my grand kids 2 years ago has 1700 km on it and I also studded it. When they get older and into trail riding I plan to put a 137" skid frame on it.

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Mother had 2 Indy Lites & I think you're looking in the right direction. Im pretty sure she did a RAP tour on 1. 

 

Dont forget the successor sled, the Indy 340. Smaller & sporty looking too.

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14 hours ago, 02Sled said:

If all the repair shops banded together and refused to work on those sleds it wouldn't take long until the use of cans changed. Kind of tough when nobody will repair your sled.

In my experience the ones running with cans (mostly younger locals) would not be deterred by that.

They do their own wrenching, and never go to dealer except for parts.

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2 hours ago, Bigfish said:

In my experience the ones running with cans (mostly younger locals) would not be deterred by that.

They do their own wrenching, and never go to dealer except for parts.

I was thinking along the same lines.

 

A lot of the sleds we're talking about are exactly late models...

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On 1/24/2019 at 7:37 PM, SalemRene said:

It drives me crazy every Saturday morning watching Snowtrax and seeing them sponsored by MBRP. And then they do shop segments on installing the cans and to there Crédit they do say to use the exhausts where applicable. But when I made a comment on there YouTube channel about how I get MBRP sponsors you but glorifying illegal equipment is part of the problem they responded with a total bs political answer “ but remember Snowtrax airs in many different countries” well I guess they need a reminder of where they came from cause in Minden, Ontario CANADA cans are illegal and they are part of the problem. They should be more responsible with the platform they have and loyal to their local sport, not to there sponsor.

I just posted a very similar question/story on freedomsledder wondering the same thing. Is Snowtrax affiliated with the OFSC? If so, it definitely doesn't make sense! 

 

"It amazes me that every Snowtrax T.V. show I watch, numerous times throughout an episode, MBRP exhaust systems are advertised? I know they help pay the bills but it surprises the heck out of me, especially with the OFSC affiliation (I believe?) and the amount of trails closing in Ontario, that Supertrax, the T.V. show, promotes something that is partially responsible for closing trails in Ontario? :dunno:

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On 1/24/2019 at 2:19 PM, zoso said:

I agree. the goal is 80db quiet not stock . ido not think a cop will be concerned with a quiet exhaust .

Your exactly right. They should be using decibel meters and not being idiots about it. Just because it's not stock doesn't mean it's loud. They are ultimately hurting the sport. 

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1 hour ago, Irv said:

I just posted a very similar question/story on freedomsledder wondering the same thing. Is Snowtrax affiliated with the OFSC? If so, it definitely doesn't make sense! 

 

"It amazes me that every Snowtrax T.V. show I watch, numerous times throughout an episode, MBRP exhaust systems are advertised? I know they help pay the bills but it surprises the heck out of me, especially with the OFSC affiliation (I believe?) and the amount of trails closing in Ontario, that Supertrax, the T.V. show, promotes something that is partially responsible for closing trails in Ontario? :dunno:

Supertrax publishes the OFSC's insert. In Supertrax there is mention of the TV show in it. I wonder if the OFSC could hold the threat over their heads that the federation was taking its business elsewhere if the mag & TV didn't smarten up on the cans, off trail riding etc?

 

The sledding business in Ontario is small so it might be hard to find someone that isn't in it for ulterior motives.

 

I think STV the other show only has Yamaha as an OEM sponsor, seems a bit of a stretch to not think that would 'colour' their judgement...

 

  

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Ok I'll bite, what can / muffler meets the same level as stock? Since  aftermarket can at the very best doesn't hurt power but in many cases actually hurts it (except on 4 strokes), except for looking to make more noise, where is the upside? Way back in the dinosaur days, tested several cans on my then ZR800 / 900 against a test sled, not a single one made more power and all but one actually hurt it. Same results on my 07 + 08 F1000s. Only found one that I thought was gonna be ok, had an amazing sound at idle and low rpm, no louder than stock but way cool however once on the trail and opened the power valves, it was just just all the rest, ridiculous.  As for the wt argument, please.  Difference between full vs tank almost empty is way more than can takes off, sled doesn't feel appreciably different no matter how much is in there.

Long overdue we get serious about taking stock of our own and others we ride with actions or only place we'll be smelling two stoke is in our own garages. Same goes for this incessant need to drink and ride then toss beer cans n garbage in the snow.

And for the record, find it offensive when I see those commercials SuperTrax runs. Talk about promoting something that is a real life problem, might as well set up a trailside bar at the same time.

Ya I'm a lil extra cranky when my sleds down. :(

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11 minutes ago, revrnd said:

Supertrax publishes the OFSC's insert. In Supertrax there is mention of the TV show in it. I wonder if the OFSC could hold the threat over their heads that the federation was taking its business elsewhere if the mag & TV didn't smarten up on the cans, off trail riding etc?

 

The sledding business in Ontario is small so it might be hard to find someone that isn't in it for ulterior motives.

 

I think STV the other show only has Yamaha as an OEM sponsor, seems a bit of a stretch to not think that would 'colour' their judgement...

 

  

Their magazine is distributed to permit buyers. That provides them circulation numbers they can then use to sell advertising that covers their expenses and their profits. The larger the circulation the more they can get from advertisers. If they lost the OFSC part of their circulation would they even be able to survive financially?

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20 minutes ago, 02Sled said:

Their magazine is distributed to permit buyers. That provides them circulation numbers they can then use to sell advertising that covers their expenses and their profits. The larger the circulation the more they can get from advertisers. If they lost the OFSC part of their circulation would they even be able to survive financially?

 

You have a point. It has been years since I subscribed to a sledding magazine. SnowTech and/or the old SnowWeek newspaper (a racing publication) probably were the last.

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8 hours ago, revrnd said:

Supertrax publishes the OFSC's insert. In Supertrax there is mention of the TV show in it. I wonder if the OFSC could hold the threat over their heads that the federation was taking its business elsewhere if the mag & TV didn't smarten up on the cans, off trail riding etc?

 

The sledding business in Ontario is small so it might be hard to find someone that isn't in it for ulterior motives.

 

I think STV the other show only has Yamaha as an OEM sponsor, seems a bit of a stretch to not think that would 'colour' their judgement...

 

  

The Supertrax people 'won' the multi-year marketing Rider Engagement contract for the OFSC - and Ontario snowmobiling - a couple of years ago. You will find a duplication of names on the magazine, TV show, and OFSC office.

OFSC AND SUPERTRAX PARTNERSHIP

Press Release
12/7/2016

"The Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs (OFSC) recently announced that Supertrax Media Inc. (SMI) has been awarded its Rider Engagement Communications contract after a rigorous RFP process that began in August 2016. As a result, SMI will continue its eight-year relationship with the OFSC in a new contract beginning for the 2017/18 season."

 

document:

 

supertrax press release OFSC contract.docx

 

 

 


 

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Total fail, coincidence? See my first post in this thread and read link below.The war waged by the left for POWER continues. Pathetic really

 

Im officially a supporter of all riders with cans now. Make noise all you want I wont complain. Remember, NO ONE likes a tattle tale

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-wants-public-to-weigh-in-on-revamping-noise-bylaw-1.4992136

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, crispy said:

Total fail, coincidence? See my first post in this thread and read link below.The war waged by the left for POWER continues. Pathetic really

 

Im officially a supporter of all riders with cans now. Make noise all you want I wont complain. Remember, NO ONE likes a tattle tale

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-wants-public-to-weigh-in-on-revamping-noise-bylaw-1.4992136

 

 

 

 

Maybe if you were an avid sledder instead of a keyboard wannabe you would really see the damage cans are doing to our sport. If being a tattle tail is what it takes to keep our trail system intact then that's what I will be.

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15 minutes ago, bbakernbay said:

The future of snowmobiling is on the line.  This is on AD trail just north of Four Mile Lake Road in North Bay.

 

 

I’m personally happy to see this. There needs to be more people speak up about the negative impacts of pipes-cans on trails and landowners. Enforcement is only part of it. There needs to be more willing to lead by example and take a stand.  Good job I say. 

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14 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:

Maybe if you were an avid sledder instead of a keyboard wannabe you would really see the damage cans are doing to our sport. If being a tattle tail is what it takes to keep our trail system intact then that's what I will be.

My money says he has an underground bunker for when the "authorities" come after him. It sounds pretty reasonable to me for the city to consult the people they were elected to represent to understand their concerns first hand before updating the bylaws. I can also see time restrictions being put in place for things like snow blowers, leaf blowers and lawn mowers. Some people don't seem to see that starting up your snow blower at 4:00 am could be a problem for your neighbours.

 

He seems to suggest that imposing restrictions on time of day use is an over reach and that people should be able to make as much noise as they want whenever they want.

 

We attended an event at the Baxter community centre Saturday night. As soon as we stepped out of the truck you could hear the continuous braap of sleds with that recognizable can sound. There is a large number of residences nearby.

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37 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said:

Maybe if you were an avid sledder instead of a keyboard wannabe you would really see the damage cans are doing to our sport. If being a tattle tail is what it takes to keep our trail system intact then that's what I will be.

 

At this stage in my life I can only wish to be as avid as most of you here are, but Im working on improving that each day.

 

Read my first post, this is not the first event of focus sleds or vehicles have faced and while I encourage BOTH respectful behavior and tolerance as soon as things hit the law books my neck hair rise for good reason. Look at what the thick red tape has done to Canada and shake your head if you want to usher in more of it your not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

Anyways judge away and name call if it makes you feel any better. Crime is DOWN, WAYYYYYYYY down and its NOT BECAUSE OF POLICE EFFORTS its because people have mostly learned and improved their lives through experience. Giving people the ability to learn and improve is a HUGE part of life. I see cans the same way

 

I also see Police hires wayyyyyyyy UP and budgets wayyyyyyyy up and all sorts of super expensive fancy toys ( helicopter etc ) and while I also see laws making it easier on REAL criminals ( RCMP hiring criminals now for instance ) I see every day some effort to make life harder on drivers or regular people to keep the police busy making $ instead of serving the public and this is how I see this now that there are three clear strikes Im out.

 

Can riders will get a thumbs up from me now and pipe riding harleys/cars etc all too will get thumbs up until these efforts back off. If we want to improve PR as a community without pushing more law and police presence on us? I'm all for it. If you want to upload responsibility to the police and make even more aspects of our lives something the police can punish? Im out. Simple as that

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What did Pogo say?

 

Crispy, I've bit my tongue over your constant anti-government rantings, but this takes the cake.

 

I'll add to O2's comment, put on your tinfoil hat & go back to your basement!

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Im pro Canada, not anti government and I speak to what matters best I can see with respect to that.

 

For instance lets flip the switch here and look at this from the other side of the coin. Lets say we target student loan defaults as a major problem to the Canadian economy and start charging defaulters with extra fines that are paid immediately on the spot or garnished until paid before any money these note holders may have/use to purchase anything else.

 

Sound crazy to most, yet to me I see very little difference between that type of law enforcement I could start screaming for vs the so called street racing law where police can use judge/jury powers at the side of the road escaping due process because its in the greater good.

 

How could I make such a comparison? Simple; Canadas health care system is grossly under funded right now and all those student debts left unpaid KILL exponentially more people every year because thats one less dollar we could use to save lives, wasted on bureaucratic ambitions.

 

These perspectives are very far from anti-government, they are anti bureaucrat/waste/ideologue power positions and I do my very best to explain them without disrespecting anyone. Name calling galore of which I have done none of. Insults all over of which I have done none of. I write to the betterment of all

 

What do you want?

 

 

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34 minutes ago, revrnd said:

What did Pogo say?

 

Crispy, I've bit my tongue over your constant anti-government rantings, but this takes the cake.

 

I'll add to O2's comment, put on your tinfoil hat & go back to your basement!

Ignore function works wonders! Although you still see when other people quote.

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37 minutes ago, Poo Man said:

Ignore function works wonders!

 

Thank you! Long time member, 1st time user.

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42 minutes ago, Poo Man said:

Ignore function works wonders! Although you still see when other people quote.

Interesting that you mention that. I just used it about 1/2 an hour ago. LOL

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4 hours ago, bbakernbay said:

The future of snowmobiling is on the line.  This is on AD trail just north of Four Mile Lake Road in North Bay.

 

 

 

I think many really have no idea that hydro lines are not always on crown land and think they are entitled to run those passage ways with zero regard for anything else.

 

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Just now, stoney said:

 

I think many really have no idea that hydro lines are not always on crown land and think they are entitled to run those passage ways with zero regard for anything else.

 

Possibly but in this particular location there are 3 - 4 house backyards quite visible as well as Children Playing signs, etc.

 

The QPP recent procedure of sled seizures may be more effective than anything but that is not a practical solution.

 

Hopefully the OFSC & Ford Government can change MVSA to increase fines and empower Trained Trail Patrol to issue tickets to the OWNER of the sled so as to eliminate present need to identify the Operator in Court.

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2 hours ago, crispy said:

Im pro Canada, not anti government and I speak to what matters best I can see with respect to that.

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These perspectives are very far from anti-government, they are anti bureaucrat/waste/ideologue power positions and I do my very best to explain them without disrespecting anyone. Name calling galore of which I have done none of. Insults all over of which I have done none of. I write to the betterment of all

 

What do you want?

 

 

What do we want? Funny that you should ask that exact question. 

 

We (most of us) want to have, and see protected, a Provincial user-pay trail network that is continuously linked east to west and north to south, without having big holes in it, that render it unworthy of our investment. It is not some socialist ideology that is closing down our trails! It is disrespect for others, as manifested in several ways, but trespassing and noisy exhaust systems are two issues that are undeniably causing many private land owners and some municipalities to revoke permission to allow OFSC trails on their property. What we want is to stop, and/or reverse this trend, so that we can continue to enjoy our shrinking trail network. 

 

Peer pressure or societal education is not going to change the behaviour of those who are currently sabotaging our sport by trespassing and/or creating needless loud noise at all hours of the day. What is primarily required is law enforcement. There might also need be some laws/bylaws tweaked (bureaucratic red tap!???).

 

What we want is that law enforcement to focus on noise and trespassing at a level commensurate with the threat that is being posed by a relatively few (but significant number of) a-holes who either have no idea, or don't care. No communist plot, no modern manifesto - just taking care of business!

Most of us reading this forum are not promoters of big brother or big government, but we sure as hell don't want to see our trail network lost to the irresponsibility of a small minority. We want them dealt with quickly and fairly. That's all. The end.

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