crispy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 By them, who do you mean exactly? As for the current method of waiting for a crime to happen before an arrest is made? Do you suggest something else? Its crucial to grasp there is no them and us. Its only US. Thats it and thats all there ever will be. ALL of US have a right to a fair trial based on the presumption of innocence and the benefit of doubt. If you dont agree with that granting rights skirting powers to police to act as a judge/jury in a road side manner is NOT the way forward. Its backward. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely. We need to keep the checks and balances in play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck. There are some obvious no question scenarios. Stop someone and they are carrying an unpermitted gun. There aren't any excuses, They are a criminal. Too bad we have to go through all the court cost to lock them up. Open the car door and the driver spills out onto the ground then blows way over the legal limit. Don't try and tell me they aren't drunk. Go directly to jail, do not pass go. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Nonsense. Wheres the preservation of ones rights in this situation? If a person is guilty the courts will punish them accordingly. If there are no courts involved then we have to grant absolute power to the officer or officers to make this judgement and ANYONE who thinks this a wise approach is simply blind to humanity. Placing a badge on a persons hat and giving them a job to serve and protect does not immediately make this person PERFECT. Far from it We had two police officers in Niagara shoot at each other. We regularly see officers arrested for Impaired and other issues because they too ARE HUMAN and make errors just the same as all of us so no matter the instance there is NO TIME EVER where due process and a right to a trial can be eliminated. Theres simply no good argument against this at all. Justice after a trial is every bit as just as wanting an immediate judgement, and its FAR SUPERIOR too. No room for excuses, no room for abuses. Equal justice for each and everyone INCLUDING the police, they have no rights different than you or I. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther340 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 First world countries around the world as a regular course of daily life hire or elect people to make decisions for us so that more expensive means ( eg courts)do not need to be used for every decision or judgement call. Heck even in our sport we rely on referees and umpires to make judgements because having video reviews or committe decisions for every shot or pitch or check would take way to much time and money. If you don't trust the police to do their job and get it right 99 percent of the time then you are living in the wrong country and must have endless pockets to pay for your fantasy world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtoSkidoo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 we are individuals first and citizens second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 9:07 AM, Panther340 said: First world countries around the world as a regular course of daily life hire or elect people to make decisions for us so that more expensive means ( eg courts)do not need to be used for every decision or judgement call. Heck even in our sport we rely on referees and umpires to make judgements because having video reviews or committe decisions for every shot or pitch or check would take way to much time and money. If you don't trust the police to do their job and get it right 99 percent of the time then you are living in the wrong country and must have endless pockets to pay for your fantasy world. Thats rich. You guys pushing to eliminate the courts simply dont know your history and thats why your not grasping what happens when the rights to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence is removed we effectively have a kangaroo court system. Burn the witch comes to mind. I can't believe any of you are that ignorant of how important the courts are to our way of life and the reasons they keep us FIRST WORLD. Third world countries have rulers and dictators. Here? In the FIRST WORLD? We have ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and a constitutional guarantee to civil rights which INCLUDE the rights to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence where the law is applied EQUALLY to all, the police, the government, and the private citizens. ALL share the same equal rights Soon as you take the EQUAL out of that? What do you get? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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