mike37 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Well just got this from the MTO if a club has a trail on the side of a highway anywhere in Ontario there is a hole new set of rules just come out . From what I understand first we have to get permission from every land owner that its ok to have a trail going along the highway in front of there land then we have to go to all utilities to get permission to have a trail on the side if the hwy and also permission from any town ship that the trail is in ,next is to check with any Indian nation near the hwy that you have a trail on . I have not seen the paper work yet but some have and it is coming for sure WOW what next we will not be able to have a trail cross any MTO hwy then the townships follow this lead no trails on town side road or crossing this is big lets hope the ofsc is on this one ??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbill Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 where did this happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceman Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 This has been around for a bit. D9 had to "remove" two , one on Hwy 6 north of Mount forest and the other on Hwy 21 west of Owen Sound. Its a 44 page application, don't for get the "environmental impact portion. Aboriginal input was within 25 miles I believe. It was a "new" manager in the London office who was.... ( well , you know)!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Faceman said: This has been around for a bit. D9 had to "remove" two , one on Hwy 6 north of Mount forest and the other on Hwy 21 west of Owen Sound. Its a 44 page application, don't for get the "environmental impact portion. Aboriginal input was within 25 miles I believe. It was a "new" manager in the London office who was.... ( well , you know)!!! Why did they have to remove the trail? What was the reasoning? Giving the adjacent neighbors a say is a little much in my view. They should have an opportunity to comment at most. Not authority to make a yes or no decision. It's public land. They don't own it. Existing trail should be grandfathered as well in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Wildbill said: where did this happen ? We have a few sections like this. The most notable for us is the section along Hwy 12 to Beaverton and areas beyond. Hwy 12 in this area has a very wide ROW to allow for future expansion and we run along. If enforced provincially, this will affect many sections of trail and significantly harm our system and the businesses that support us along those highways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceman Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I think in our specific case it was "new broom sweeps clean". Thankfully only the two, one was a PITA for the GBE club and the other not a real big deal. Not sure in either case why they would care. Or we could have filled out the 44 page application I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogirl69 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 11:09 PM, mike37 said: Well just got this from the MTO if a club has a trail on the side of a highway anywhere in Ontario there is a hole new set of rules just come out . From what I understand first we have to get permission from every land owner that its ok to have a trail going along the highway in front of there land then we have to go to all utilities to get permission to have a trail on the side if the hwy and also permission from any town ship that the trail is in ,next is to check with any Indian nation near the hwy that you have a trail on . I have not seen the paper work yet but some have and it is coming for sure WOW what next we will not be able to have a trail cross any MTO hwy then the townships follow this lead no trails on town side road or crossing this is big lets hope the ofsc is on this one ??????????? You say "just got this from the MTO" and "I have not seen the paper work yet". Which is it? Can you scan it or share a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Fake news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 9:19 AM, Doogirl69 said: You say "just got this from the MTO" and "I have not seen the paper work yet". Which is it? Can you scan it or share a link? We were alerted by our district admin, but the paperwork has not been distributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Please post once it is available for public distribution. This has the potential to wreak havoc on many Trail systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, bbakernbay said: Please post once it is available for public distribution. This has the potential to wreak havoc on many Trail systems. I find this stuff really depressing and it makes me want to get out of the sport....or maybe move further north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Poo Man said: I find this stuff really depressing and it makes me want to get out of the sport....or maybe move further north X2 here as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Take em to court, fight it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidoo rob Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 8 hours ago, crispy said: Take em to court, fight it Unless Dougie Ford is a snowmobiler, good luck with that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 10:58 AM, sledjunk said: We were alerted by our district admin, but the paperwork has not been distributed. I trust that this matter will be raised/discussed at the AGM. Looking forward to hear more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 5 hours ago, skidoo rob said: Unless Dougie Ford is a snowmobiler, good luck with that one... He supports the tourism industry in Ontario. I do not know the reason the MTO is doing this, what is the goal on their behalf do we know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 18 hours ago, crispy said: He supports the tourism industry in Ontario. I do not know the reason the MTO is doing this, what is the goal on their behalf do we know? It's too bad that the OFSC couldn't have a sit down w/ the pertinent ministries @ the same time & attempt to get them all on the same page. Dealing w/ a work permit in our area was 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinental couch Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Yep. Right hand, left hand syndrome. The different bureaucracies don't talk to each other because each one thinks they are right and everybody else is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 hours ago, revrnd said: It's too bad that the OFSC couldn't have a sit down w/ the pertinent ministries @ the same time & attempt to get them all on the same page. That's why you need a full-time government lobbyist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 13 hours ago, catinental couch said: Yep. Right hand, left hand syndrome. The different bureaucracies don't talk to each other because each one thinks they are right and everybody else is wrong. The crazy in all of this is they target growth strategies within these bureaucracies. If thats not completely backwards to public SERVICE then what is? The MTO for some time now in kahoots with OPP and others have been intentionally trying to make life harder for more citizens and create more opportunities for officers to call for more work so they can hire more officers. Thats not public service thats public abuse and who holds these people to account? This is the big issue by and large they run wild Its so bad even Firefighters too they are CRAZED with turf conflicts and power games. Training centers made for controlled burns and whatnot all funded by the taxpayer are completely off limits for other halls to train at. First truck on the scene controls the scene even if they are far less capable. Theres a lot of ego stroking at work that really doesnt serve the public interest one bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinental couch Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I totally agree crispy. I went to a meeting this past Wednesday where the OPP and the MTO each had a speaker on safety and regulatory issues. Any questions from the audience that were outside the parameters of the presentations but still within the subject line were either ignored or completely sidestepped. What was managed to be interpreted was that if this law doesn't fit to charge you with something then there is another law that is a worse charge against you that they can hit you with. The biggest perception ( I hate that word ) was that all these laws are subject to the individual officers' interpretation so one way or another, you will end up in court. If the court doesn't think there is a case against you then the officer just doesn't show up in court and the charge is withdrawn. You still have to waste your time to go to court though. In many cases, the set fine is low enough that people just pay it because it is too costly to fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 hours ago, catinental couch said: Yep. Right hand, left hand syndrome. The different bureaucracies don't talk to each other because each one thinks they are right and everybody else is wrong. And then in the case of the MNR, it would appear that each district office has its own agenda. I've read online where clubs in northern Ontario have been able to reroute trails in short periods of time. We're dealing w/ an reroute over the length of 100 acres of Crown Land. Process will have taken almost 3 years when the trail opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 9 hours ago, revrnd said: And then in the case of the MNR, it would appear that each district office has its own agenda. I've read online where clubs in northern Ontario have been able to reroute trails in short periods of time. We're dealing w/ an reroute over the length of 100 acres of Crown Land. Process will have taken almost 3 years when the trail opens. Sort of true on trails with MNR. If it's moving a trail from one logging road to another it's just a matter of grooming the trail, also allowed to get away with minor brushing (maintence) under our district work permit. Now if your talking a bridge or new trail it takes years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbakernbay Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Where is the MTO document? Was it discussed at AGM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledjunk Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Not discussed. Still trying to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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