revrnd Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It would've been funny interesting to ask the previous MTO Minister (Professor Honeydew) where a person would find concise & clear explanation of our trailering laws. Probably wouldn't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techdenis007 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Might as well ask Roy from the Mayberry police force, or Eenis from Hazard County.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, muddy tires said: Yes I have. Looked through the elaws site and also through some MTO materials and the MTO website (not very helpful). Very similar threads have appeared on several forums I frequent. Always lots of people confused and lots of falsehoods and rumours but few statements that can be backed up by reference to a law, rule or regulation.  What have I found to be supportable? 4,500 kg threshold (greater of GVWR, registered weight or actual weight), exemption for campers, no requirement for log books or to cross scales when for personal use. Most everything else seems to be fake news. You can try this site.: https://horttrades.com/mto---annual-truck-and-trailer-safety-inspections  it explains much of what has been asked here, otherwise refer to the e-laws website.  If you want a dry long read. .  I have been fined before by towing my boat(non stickered) behind my commercial stickered truck a few years back.  If no one wants to believe it then just suck it up and drive it until you have a problem.  I still do not sticker my boat trailer, and just drive it with risk.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcZEd382 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 hours ago, snowman said: You can try this site.: https://horttrades.com/mto---annual-truck-and-trailer-safety-inspections  it explains much of what has been asked here, otherwise refer to the e-laws website.  If you want a dry long read. .  I have been fined before by towing my boat(non stickered) behind my commercial stickered truck a few years back.  If no one wants to believe it then just suck it up and drive it until you have a problem.  I still do not sticker my boat trailer, and just drive it with risk.   Did the fine exceed the costs/fees of going thru the sticker process for a truck and 2 trailers? By how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, mcZEd382 said: Did the fine exceed the costs/fees of going thru the sticker process for a truck and 2 trailers? By howmuch? It was about 5 years ago and I believe it was around $200 for no sticker on trailer..maybe changed now but I still do not safety my 2 boat trailers, but my truck is always stickered to pull our larger stickered trailers.  Here is the fine schedule for the Ontario traffic act and you can look it up to see if it is different : http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-do-i/set-fines/set-fines-i/schedule-43/  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, snowman said: It was about 5 years ago and I believe it was around $200 for no sticker on trailer..maybe changed now but I still do not safety my 2 boat trailers, but my truck is always stickered to pull our larger stickered trailers.  Here is the fine schedule for the Ontario traffic act and you can look it up to see if it is different : http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-do-i/set-fines/set-fines-i/schedule-43/  For a lot of what we have been talking about if you look in the table it says N.S.F. which is no set fine. It seems that for N.S.F it's up to a judge as to what you get hit with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo Man Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, 02Sled said: For a lot of what we have been talking about if you look in the table it says N.S.F. which is no set fine. It seems that for N.S.F it's up to a judge as to what you get hit with. Even set fines can be up to judges discretion. I got hit with talking on cell phone even though it was on speaker phone when I passed it to my son in the back seat. Ticket was $500, minimum was $350 or something and I ended up getting it down to $75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy tires Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 12 hours ago, snowman said: You can try this site.: https://horttrades.com/mto---annual-truck-and-trailer-safety-inspections  it explains much of what has been asked here, otherwise refer to the e-laws website.  If you want a dry long read. .  I have been fined before by towing my boat(non stickered) behind my commercial stickered truck a few years back.  If no one wants to believe it then just suck it up and drive it until you have a problem.  I still do not sticker my boat trailer, and just drive it with risk.   Nope. Nothing there. If your truck was commercial, was it under the CVOR rules? They may be different. Or maybe truck plus boat trailer was over 4,500 kg and thus subject to inspection.  I still challenge anybody to show me a reference to an authoritative source that requires a trailer to be inspected just because the truck is stickered (combination <4,500 kg and  in Ontario). You may have gotten a ticket but that doesn't prove that it was justified. Law enforcement seems at least as confused in this area as everybody else. Do you still have the ticket and the Highway Traffic Act section that you were charged under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoso Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 17 hours ago, soupkids said: Way to many if's, and, or but's in the last 7 pages for me to even wrap my head around. I'm just going to connect whatever I need behind my truck and drive on. You are like 99.9999% of us, no matter what you do, if the MTO wants to nail you, they will, so just make sure your rig is safe and drive on. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcZEd382 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ok wait a sec. According to what I'm seeing here I'm far passed the 4500..(3175+3130).Cripes in my case do I need to go get an AZ? This is ridiculous. Where did 4500 come from anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PISTON LAKE CRUISER Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, mcZEd382 said: Ok wait a sec. According to what I'm seeing here I'm far passed the 4500..(3175+3130).Cripes in my case do I need to go get an AZ? This is ridiculous. Where did 4500 come from anyways? 4500 kg. is the limit that if you are above when combining the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of your trailer ( in your case 3,130 + 3,175=6,305 kg.) that you require yellow stickers on both the truck and the trailer. You do not require a A class license unless the weight of the loaded trailer you pull is over 4,600 kg. (10,138 lb.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcZEd382 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, PISTON LAKE CRUISER said: 4500 kg. is the limit that if you are above when combining the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of your trailer ( in your case 3,130 + 3,175=6,305 kg.) that you require yellow stickers on both the truck and the trailer. You do not require a A class license unless the weight of the loaded trailer you pull is over 4,600 kg. (10,138 lb.) Sorry, forgot to hang my sarcasm sign on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 4/3/2018 at 9:20 PM, soupkids said: Way to many if's, and, or but's in the last 7 pages for me to even wrap my head around. I'm just going to connect whatever I need behind my truck and drive on. Entirely by design to grant total authority to the bill collectors. I posted hard PROOF earlier or safety ineffectiveness yet these "policing" efforts continue to rise and we must push the gov't to restore our rights to due process and get rid of this over reach. Its killing people, and costing the economy a lot of money. There is no win on any front so it MUST end   On 4/3/2018 at 10:11 PM, revrnd said: It would've been funny interesting to ask the previous MTO Minister (Professor Honeydew) where a person would find concise & clear explanation of our trailering laws. Probably wouldn't have a clue.  Again entirely by design to allow supreme police powers to the MTO and Police. There is a constitutional case here but the cops LOVE to use the old "driving is a privilege" bull crap to weasle out of it.   19 hours ago, zoso said: You are like 99.9999% of us, no matter what you do, if the MTO wants to nail you, they will, so just make sure your rig is safe and drive on.   Unfortunately there is no other option at the moment. It is a very dangerous time of BIG government and police state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viperules700 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I once drove thru Quebec to go out east and the government weigh station there had a whole fleet of chase cars. A few km's down the road some trucker with a straight truck was pulled over for not stopping at weigh station. Ontario doesn't seem to have same enforcement besides the blitz.'s they do around the area's. A few months ago they had a blitz on highway 7 and 8, when I pulled into wilmot rec centre. They sent the trucks there to undergo inspection. That day they found several rigs that were fined and pulled off the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 A friend stopped in w/ his half ton towing a car trailer tandem. Talked a bit about regs. Looking @ my 3/4 ton registration & it is 'coded' OPU. I m assuming that is Own Personal Use. My friend's truck was coded B3K, any idea what that means?(both trucks registered for 3000 kgs.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livewire Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Better weigh. your truck, my F250 crew cab weighed more than 3000 kgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 About 2 hours ago 400 southbound off ramp to hwy 12 the OPP had a truck and trailer pulled over. A not great shape older 1/2 ton pickup pulling a "heavy equipment" flat bed trailer like this   with a ditch witch like this on the trailer   The truck looked questionable alone and definitely not equipped to pull that trailer. The rear springs were bottomed out. Looking at the way it was sitting I doubt he would have had a lot of real steering control. The front end was getting real high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, 02Sled said: About 2 hours ago 400 southbound off ramp to hwy 12 the OPP had a truck and trailer pulled over. A not great shape older 1/2 ton pickup pulling a "heavy equipment" flat bed trailer like this   with a ditch witch like this on the trailer   The truck looked questionable alone and definitely not equipped to pull that trailer. The rear springs were bottomed out. Looking at the way it was sitting I doubt he would have had a lot of real steering control. The front end was getting real high. Getting close to the May 2 4 weekend & you know there will be a lot of sketchy vehicles pulling trailers that are in worse shape.  Waiting for a friend to show up @ our woodlot & watching the hwy traffic. Dodge half ton crew cab went by & only thing in the box was an ATV. Rear wheels of quad were on the tailgate, not the box floor.  Lots of ATVs heading north but never saw any going to the woodlot. Saw 3 deer & 3 partridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, revrnd said: Getting close to the May 2 4 weekend & you know there will be a lot of sketchy vehicles pulling trailers that are in worse shape. Â Waiting for a friend to show up @ our woodlot & watching the hwy traffic. Dodge half ton crew cab went by & only thing in the box was an ATV. Rear wheels of quad were on the tailgate, not the box floor. Â Lots of ATVs heading north but never saw any going to the woodlot. Saw 3 deer & 3 partridge. You will never get a quad in the box of a crew cab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, soupkids said: You will never get a quad in the box of a crew cab If you had an F250  or 350 crew cab you could  get the 8 ft box. I believe you can in the GM and Dodge heavier trucks as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, 02Sled said: If you had an F250  or 350 crew cab you could  get the 8 ft box. I believe you can in the GM and Dodge heavier trucks as well Crew cab long box is just a little smaller than a school bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinental couch Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, soupkids said: Crew cab long box is just a little smaller than a school bus  Naw. A school bus is a long highway tractor with a full body on it. My crew cab long box is only 27 feet long without the plow. Accessories make it another 5 feet longer. Still nowhere near the length of a school bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, soupkids said: Crew cab long box is just a little smaller than a school bus We had a '79 GMC version back before everyone & their uncle had 1. Â We've seen people lose lumber out of the back of the trucks onto the street. More lumber hanging out past the tailgate than in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Early 80's we were driving to the rodeos with a crew cab 1 ton dually with an 8 ft box towing a 40 ft fifth wheel 4 horse trailer with living quarters in the front.  If if I could get an 8 ft box on the F150 with the crew cab I'd get one in a heart beat. I've got the 6.5 ft now but too often miss the longer box. I had the shorter box on one when you couldn't get the 6.5 and it was useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinental couch Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Agreed O2. The wife's new half ton is relegated to car and light towing duty. Runabout, PWC trailer, utility trailer etc. because it is so much easier on fuel. The 6.5 ft box is a pain even to carry limb wood because you have to cut it so short to get it in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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