bbakernbay Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yesterday we received an 8.5" x 11" envelope from Hydro One with our enclosed one page bill and a second page advising that payment plans were available if the bill was too large. Normally the bill comes in a standard business envelope. The postage on the large envelope was a metered $2.50. The metered rate for a regular envelope is $0.75 What an utter waste of money being $1.75 plus the extra cost of a large envelope multiplied by hundreds of thousands of their customers. The actual electricity used was $102.12 with a Delivery Charge of $194.19, Regulatory Charge of $7.78 and Debt Retirement of $7.94 and HST of $40.56 less the $35.26 Credit of Ontario Clean Energy Benefit. Things never change at Hydro One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPK Racing Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Did you notice that you also pay HST on the debt retirement charge? Seems fair eh! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I've noticed those expensive "stamps" on many government/quasi public remittances lately. City of Toronto (re: waste diversion, of all things) and Toronto Hydro (spawn of Ontario Hydro?) were two recent $1.75 envelopes. "Weird" came to mind as I threw them away. Glad people are noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPK Racing Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Multiply that extra cost by the number of household they got sent to and do some calculations on how many MW hours of power that would have paid for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I've noticed those expensive "stamps" on many government/quasi public remittances lately. City of Toronto (re: waste diversion, of all things) and Toronto Hydro (spawn of Ontario Hydro?) were two recent $1.75 envelopes. "Weird" came to mind as I threw them away. Glad people are noticing. Toronto Hydro probably existed before Hydro One. In Oshawa, hydro was supplied by the Oshawa PUC as long as I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Did you notice that you also pay HST on the debt retirement charge? Seems fair eh! LOL Don't forget that debt would now have been paid off except the Fiberals quietly borrowed more money and jacked that debt back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Don't forget that debt would now have been paid off except the Fiberals quietly borrowed more money and jacked that debt back up. 02 get your facts straight, the debt retirement showed up after PC split of Ontario Hydro in 1999. Which was caused by the NDP/PC screw ups during the building of Darlington NGS in the early 90s. The so called extra borrowing by the Liberal's was just PC party propaganda during the 2012 election. I'm not a fan of any party, they are all a bunch of lying cheats. Anyone who thinks ine is better than the other, please pour out your Kool-Aid. All the parties are screw ups, they only care about themselevs and how to get elected again in 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 what I do care about is the spiraling debt that is out of control and who is driving that debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskywizard Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Most people don't need a paper bill. Some, yes, but not many. How many dinosaurs here haven't opted in for e-billing? Getting your bill by email saves us all money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reved Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 .... Getting your bill by email saves us all money. of topic but, this option does cost jobs in several industries. Just reminding people that nothing is free or cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskywizard Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 That's not off topic. Big envelope costs more than little envelope. No envelope costs even less. Eliminating the task of mailing saves even more. You can't hammer them for being inefficient AND want them to do unnecessary work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 They probably outsource the printing and the mailing of the invoice. The third party would have less paper use, fewer printer operators and fewer people running the mailing equipment that folds, inserts and seals the envelope, Then fewer people running the postage metering equipment. Fewer truck drivers to pick up for Canada Post and fewer letter carriers.... A slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Most people don't need a paper bill. Some, yes, but not many. How many dinosaurs here haven't opted in for e-billing? Getting your bill by email saves us all money. For every bill I can I went paperless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 what I do care about is the spiraling debt that is out of control and who is driving that debt Bingo that's where you point the finger, they all got us in this mess, now the goal should be to work together, but we know that will never happen. Most people don't need a paper bill. Some, yes, but not many. How many dinosaurs here haven't opted in for e-billing? Getting your bill by email saves us all money. All my older bills still come in the mail. Only thing that is emailed is my RBC visa, and that's only because I just moved to RBC last year. My wife likes the paper bills for filing after they have been paid. And we keep everything for 2 years:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomo Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Bingo that's where you point the finger, they all got us in this mess, now the goal should be to work together, but we know that will never happen. All my older bills still come in the mail. Only thing that is emailed is my RBC visa, and that's only because I just moved to RBC last year. My wife likes the paper bills for filing after they have been paid. And we keep everything for 2 years:( Same thing here - the paper bills are a concrete reminder of money owing - emails disappear too easily or are overlooked. The only P*ss *ff for us is the utilities that tell you they are switching to ee-bills to save the environment, then bombard you with marketing mailings. Luckily I found out that you can just write "return to sender" on the envelope, put it back in the mail and the envelope arrives back at the sender (usually a third party company) according to a number where the stamp is usually affixed. The parent company has to pay for postage both ways. We usually write a little note on the back of the return marketing mailing expressing our disgust of their cluttering the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Same thing here - the paper bills are a concrete reminder of money owing - emails disappear too easily or are overlooked. The only P*ss *ff for us is the utilities that tell you they are switching to ee-bills to save the environment, then bombard you with marketing mailings. Luckily I found out that you can just write "return to sender" on the envelope, put it back in the mail and the envelope arrives back at the sender (usually a third party company) according to a number where the stamp is usually affixed. The parent company has to pay for postage both ways. We usually write a little note on the back of the return marketing mailing expressing our disgust of their cluttering the environment. We get far more junk mail than we do real mail and the only real mail we get are bills. A lot of Canada Post employees would be unemployed without all that junk mail. It seems that our mail carrier likes to get rid of the junk mail early on his route since we usually get two of each junk mail item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jow Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 And now hydro one is purchasing cities hydro like Woodstock and I'm hearing stratford is next. Wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Can someone smarter than me explain why Bruce Power finds it necessary to advertise on TV? I didn't know we could decide whether we wanted to buy our hydro from them or OPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweese Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Can someone smarter than me explain why Bruce Power finds it necessary to advertise on TV? I didn't know we could decide whether we wanted to buy our hydro from them or OPG It's to get you use to the idea of Bruce Power being the main source of power in Ontario if and when the PC party should win an election. It's been long talked about by the PC party handing over the OPG nuclear fleet to Bruce Power. Because that's what the PC does. They sell off the things that make money like OPG, 407 and other things. And stick the taxpayer with all the loosing deals. More proof to this is the PC'S constian push to sell off LCBO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's to get you use to the idea of Bruce Power being the main source of power in Ontario if and when the PC party should win an election. It's been long talked about by the PC party handing over the OPG nuclear fleet to Bruce Power. Because that's what the PC does. They sell off the things that make money like OPG, 407 and other things. And stick the taxpayer with all the loosing deals. More proof to this is the PC'S constian push to sell off LCBO... It seems the Fiberals who are strapped for cash are looking to sell off OLG to either Rogers or Bell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupkids Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It seems the Fiberals who are strapped for cash are looking to sell off OLG to either Rogers or Bell.... Not sure about selling it off but definatly contracting it out. RFP has been out for a while up here for one company to run casin's in the north, Sudbury, North bay, Sault Ste Marie, Thunder Bay, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Sled Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not sure about selling it off but definatly contracting it out. RFP has been out for a while up here for one company to run casin's in the north, Sudbury, North bay, Sault Ste Marie, Thunder Bay, etc. It was in the news last week that they were looking to sell OLG for a number in the billion $ plus range. The report said that OLG wasn't very good at being innovative and believed Rogers or Bell could do better. i.e. selling lottery tickets online or on your smart phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrummage Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It would appear that Bruce Power and 407ETR are better run than their gov't run counterparts. They don't have to fight with education or health care for funding. BTW the Lieberals never mention how much tax revenue the 407 generates. As for the LCBO the question is "Should the gov't be selling booze or just regulating it?" Not to mention the humongous tax revenue it generates. In many sledding areas booze and beer are already sold in corner stores without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barberch Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Bruce Power get paid alot more for their power than OPG does. They must have excess cash! They even pay more than OPG, we just can't tell as they are not subject to the Sunshine list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgooding Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hydro rates are going continue to grow with these bullshit "Green Energy" acts. The green energy act was just a political play for the liberals to get in as wind and solar are not really green. If we want cheap hydro rates we need to use nuclear, hydro and coal. Modern coal is very clean (believe it or not), but the average person cannot wrap their head around the idea that coal can be burned cleanly. This green energy act was introduced by a man named George Smitherman (Liberal). I dont have a particular party that I like as both the PCs and Liberals have screwed up big time in Ontario. Basically this act pays people up to 80 cents a kWh (Bruce sells theres for 5 cents a kWh) if they sell "green energy" back to the grid. You also have to factor in the costs of Hydro One putting power lines to support this energy. Basically, we dont need wind or solar. Wind produces most of its energy at night (our off peak ours) and a lot of solar farms take up a lot of farmland. Also, to make a solar panel it requires a ton of energy in comparison to its lifetime production (not very green). On the financial side, this green energy act helps make the wealthy get wealthier. The average person cannot afford to set up solar panels ($$$) even if the payoff is as low as five or six years. But a big corporation can come in and throw a ton of panels on their roofs and be making a crazy profit in a few years. This act needs to be scrapped, but it will be at least another four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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