Wildman

Lol, unless this big storm front starts building it isn't going to be anything substantial. Looks more like liberal news to me.....we will see.

The thing that got me was the way the fella with a broken sled was treated, the interaction with the very people that support the business. Couple that with inconstant price for fuel, then putting a minimum charge for fuel. There is allot more to the scenario, including the way the Polar Bear Riders where treated. In short, they are not the type of people that are good for the sport.

I said that earlier this year, these idiots are toxic. Some believe it would hurt the area not having this trail. I personally don't believe so and it would free up valuable resources and allow grooming operations to concentrate on the rest of their system, which is needed with the influx of traffic due to southern conditions and shorter seasons.

I mean if you where stopped and he was walking up the trail, he probably would have stopped long before he got to you. I can see him being pissed when you ride by though. Not to many people get to see them that close. A friend of mine walked out of a cabin and there was 1 standing around 30y from him, he just stopped and looked at it and it bolted,

That's probably why you encountered the wolf, that's allot of snow to try and maneuver in. Probably wouldn't bother with you if stopped, they are very timid. I have tried to get close to them, never had any luck. Beautiful animal.

I agree, and I don't expect them to justify the price of fuel to me or anyone else, I have just had a real hard time getting my head wrapped around it. When I saw the price of fuel in Moosenee. I was actually shocked, I was expecting it to be more, considered it gets there by rail, has to be unloaded and I assume be trucked to the fuel station. It also doesn't carry as much tax as I believe it is a reservation. Really the only one that has to justify the price is the customer, and that isn't me and it looks like many do justify it, and that is great. It keeps a loop open and it is well used, and really thats all that matters. Sometimes I get a little analytical.

How deep is the snow?

Gas is $2.29 in Moosenee. Just food for thought.

It is beautiful riding up there, not sure why it is not a real popular area. For a while it was hit and miss on snow, maybe that discouraged people from riding the area. It takes lots of snow to make some of those trails passable.

if I remember correctly that groomer at Ernie's was an old ts115 and it had lots of issues that made keeping it operational problematic. It doesn't matter if it is d or f trail, grooming is the issue. If Ernie is open for fuel, F is more reasonable from a fuel standpoint. It seems like things are going backwards from a progression standpoint in this area, I remember there being positive speculation on what the F trail extension would be for a reliable trail to complete the loop. I believe that is when Steve and Gail where wanting to slow down at half way and it looked good till Roger started acting up. I only rode the trail once but it was a beautiful ride.

IDK, maybe people are buying less fuel because they can go further on the new sleds and most carry some fuel anyway, this could cause less profit inducing a price increase. It just seem excessive.

gas went from $ 2.58 more per liter to $4.28 more per liter than premium in Cochrane. Logistics is an issue, profit isn't a dirty word, but that makes no sense. If this is what it takes to be profitable up there, I would call it unachievable. I would not be able to look anyone in the eye. I do not have a very good impression from this punk, just from his social media interaction. Glad I frequented that trail and loop in the past, I don't think I will be up there again unless I pack my own fuel n viddles.

Huge money was spent on that trail, it should have never closed, that is the one that should be focused on. There are complications with groomers, it is not an easy task either. I believe that's why it was so easily abandoned in the first place.

I saw a pic of that grader not to long ago with the hind end stuck in the ditch, and a post on FF thanking a bunch of guys for getting repairs done on it. I couldn't imagine freezing my bits off in -30 weather bucking huge drifts and the amount of snow they have, in that pos. I have run one of those things around my buddies farm in the summer, it was fun, I wouldn't even kick a tire on it if there was frost, it is in about the same shape as that thing.

Nice trail, a bit tight and twisty in spots, really opens up beyond Latchford. Almost every time I have been through there they had groomer troubles and it was rough. Not saying it's always that way, was just my luck.

I certainly understand what you are going through, don't blame you one bit if you do pack it in. For those of you that think it is a few bad apples, you need to stuff your ass in a groomer for a day, it is not a few, its a ton. When your going 8mph and everyone is doing 80 plus, you get to see allot, its not a couple outside the stakes, it's a ton, do I have a number, no, it's just not a few. The one that got me the most was non permitted sleds, that coupled with the lack of snow in my area, it just became a waste of time that drove me nuts and was time away from my family. This sport has had this problem with the ridership that has been unraveling at the seams, the more it unravels, the faster it goes. There was a deal made with the devil years ago (MTO) . I forget the bill and the particulars, but it was not favorable for the sport, it has been rearing it's ugly head for years, and now it's picking up speed. With a bigger ridership, the small problems become much larger, that is where it is today, I don't see a turning of the tides, a resurrection or anything of the sort, it is a self entitled me world and this problem is so much larger then almost anybody will admit. Saying it's just a few is the biggest understatement I have heard about this situation.

if i was on either one of those clubs executive, I would make a motion to close that trail. That business relies solely on a volunteer club to run both ventures, base camp and extreme. The way they treat those two clubs is ridiculous. With the amount of traffic they are seeing in recent years their efforts would be far more valuable looking after the rest of their trail system with more frequent grooming possible without wasting resources on those fools. That loop does not make or break those clubs.

gotta like the real feel, that is a dry cold!!!!!!!!!

1911 is the most sound anti theft devise going, just need to be there to use it.

An issue with a cowboy like this would be better handled with the district, at that point the 2 club presidents, the district president, the district governor and if they have a district trail committee would all have input and be on the same page, it also helps take pressure off the 2 clubs. This clearly runs pretty deep and there are other issues with logging and hydro work that are causing part of this. JMO but that's the way I would deal with this one.

That is the problem, this should go to the district and make a decision. Once I realized the ownership had changed it shed a different light on what is going on. This is a business that is relying on a volunteer system to run his business. I would be curious to know if he did in fact shell the funds he says he has. Seems pretty odd.

Go to extreme tours and read his "our story" , it all adds up and paints a glorious picture of who he is and his future, if he continues down this slippery slope. I can read clearly between the lines and I can see the trouble, feel bad for these two clubs and d15. This is a perfect example of why volunteers, un volunteer.

so I just went to extreme tours and read the "our story"........I am assuming Mike is the one with the loose lips on FF?

So I was wondering about all this when I saw the crap on facefu@@. Did Bill sell the base camp and extreme tours as well? or just base camp? It is a shame, it was all an amazing product for years.

sorry to hear this. Everyone that uses these storage places needs to know they aren't really that secure. I know of 2 others that have lost their complete race operation from secure storage, and non of these seem to have footage.